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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?
Categories: [ Chemtrails ]
Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.
All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.
If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.
However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.
The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.
There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!
Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.
CONTRAIL SCIENCE
For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.
Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.
After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.
Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
- source
TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.
But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.
That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.
If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.
Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.
Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.
Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?
Think about it.
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no it isnt.. its an easy way of showing you numpties up for the liars you are. because if you can not be trusted to tell the truth about 9/11, after claiming to be australias formost journalist on 9/11.. ( puke ) then can not be trusted to tell the truth on anything.
i have explained that simple point to you before, and yet, you still pretend its not relevant. pointing out this websites lack of honesty and integrity, though you find it annoying, is not a distraction at all.
i also notice fenton still, the coward he is, fails to address the pentagon issue.. whats wrong hereward? no balls?
By meh on 2014 12 31 - 08:14:52
No Chemtrails eh? try this:
http://www.aircrap.org/
No Barium Aluminium and strontium eh? Look at this:
This was in a rainwater tank after CTs.
But of course nobody knows better than Maximus Bulldusticus do they.
I suppose fluoride is good for us as well?
All of this is pointless if you will not admit the obvious: We are being sprayed!
Do you enjoy Barium, Aluminium, Strontium, Foolide, vaccinations and cancer?
You are welcome to them.
By Cris on 2014 12 31 - 13:41:53
Cris wrote:
“No Barium Aluminium and strontium eh?”
Nobody said that! However, I have explained the cause of the measurements.
“Look at this: This was in a rainwater tank after CTs.”
I can’t open the link you provided. But it is obvious that in order to make any connection between “CT” and the metal levels, you would have to show at least two separate tests, one before and one after.
How else could you make sure that the metal levels were not the same before the “CT” ??
Regarding the website you linked, pick one piece of chemtrail evidence that looks convincing to you, and I will discuss it.
By Josh on 2014 12 31 - 18:50:32
josh fenton glynn et al; like to pretend that because some contrails may persist longer than others, under rare, optimum conditions for such phenomena, then that means, despite official references to chemtrails as exotic weapons, despite patents, despite technology, despite motives, despite plans to own the weather.. despite hundreds of thousands of people around the world concerned about what they see going on around them, despite testing, despite credible experts speaking out..
these clowns like to tell you that if a contrail can persist, that means that everything you are seeing, is a contrail.
if anyone is stupid enough to believe that, then i have a bridge for sale..
By meh on 2015 01 01 - 05:45:10
he will discuss it will he ? what a bloody champion, what a wonderful person.. he will discuss it ‘till the cows come home, with his roundabout reasoning, he will tell you there is nothing to worry about, regardless of what evidence is presented.
fact is.. josh et al; are the ones making the claim, that chemtrails dont exist. it is up to them to provide the evidence for that ridiculous assertion beyong reasonable doubt, not the other way around.
to date, thay have failed remarkably.
By meh on 2015 01 01 - 05:48:30
josh says
yes josh… contrails can linger.. very nice of you to point out the obvious.
now, post some proof that there is absolutely no such thing as a chemtrail.
By meh on 2015 01 01 - 05:53:02
while many say things like this..
http://21stcenturywire.com/2014/12/31/chemtrails-exposed-global-geoengineering-psyops-documented/
josh will simply spit at them, screaming “contrails can linger! contrails can linger!”***
*** - given the rare atmospheric weather conditions conducive to such pehenomena
By meh on 2015 01 01 - 08:29:11
meh/Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“contrails can linger.. very nice of you to point out the obvious.”
If you agree that contrails can persist and spread, you are at odds with the vast majority of chemtrail believers whose main reason for concern is their misunderstanding that normal contrails always dissipate within minutes.
If you agree that contrails can persist and spread, how can you decide which is a normal contrail and which is not? What do you know that no atmospheric scientist knows? Where did you get that qualification from?
By Josh on 2015 01 01 - 16:01:43
its called cognisant reasoning you gormless .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).
sure a contrail can persist, for longer than normal, under specific - rare- weather conditions.
when i see trails all over the place, day after day after day, that cover the sky from horizon to horiznon, you hust need experience from many years at the school of live, and a diploma in common sense, to tell you that what is happenning, is something else.
now, back to what you are claiming, that because a contrail may persist under specific rare weather conditions, that means there is no such thing as a chemtrail, and no one, anywhere in the world, has ever, or is, spraying anything out of any aircraft, and people who say otherwise are worried for nothing.
you have no offerred a single scrap ogf evidence to back that up. if you have no evidence, perhaps you should shut your neck hole until you do.
you might also like to indicate how many planes you believe hit the pentagon as well, just to give people more of an insight into the extreme idiocy you are willing to go to..
By pffft on 2015 01 02 - 03:57:37
why are you scared to say how many planes hit the pentagon?
are you scared to say what fenton says, because you know there is no evidence for that either?
By pffftf on 2015 01 02 - 04:03:03
it seems to like to make a point of the fact that i have used multiple pseudonyms here.. maybe you should also point out that was because fenton kept blocking me, or trying to, because he didnt like the fact i was telling truths about his hypocrisy and lies..
if you feel like youre scoring imaginary points by doing that, by all means, continue.. i dont mind one bit. i doesnt change the fact youre too scared to back fenton on his pentagon claim, and it doesnt change the fact that you can not offer ANY evidence to disprove chemtrails ...
kinda just highlights the fact you have nothing.. youre an epic loser
By pffft on 2015 01 02 - 04:54:49
meh/Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“its called cognisant reasoning”
Call it what you want, but you still claim to know more than all atmospheric scientists who actively study contrails all through their professional life.
You insisted that others must show their qualifications to be credible. When asked about your’s, you list “the school of life” and “a diploma in common sense”.
Both of these are very commendable, but how did they give you extended knowledge about atmospheric physics and chemistry, so that you’re able to tell the scientists that they have missed something of central importance?
By Josh on 2015 01 02 - 14:09:34
josh dickhead - again with your circular jerking.
i dont need qualifications to doubt what you are saying ...
you say no such thing as chemtrails.. you say this without qualification or proof.
i say BS.. i know what i see, and you tell me, im the one who has to prove what i see isnt a contrail? feck off idiot
By pfffft on 2015 01 03 - 09:49:21
pfffft/Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“i dont need qualifications to doubt what you are saying”
Actually, you doubt that atmospheric science has a full grasp on the subject of contrails. You are implying that it has escaped all the scientists that some of the persistent contrails are in fact something else.
How would you make your point to them?
By Josh on 2015 01 03 - 22:49:31
no i dont.. stop putting words into my mouth.
no idiot.. i am saying, not implying.. that all you have to quash any sort of spraying at all.. everytime someone says chemtrail, you blindly spurt out contrail. thats all you have.. that, and puttting words into peoples mouth to try make your non existant case.
just put up some proof idiot..
got any?
By pffft on 2015 01 04 - 06:25:06
I wrote:
“Actually, you doubt that atmospheric science has a full grasp on the subject of contrails.”
pffft/Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“no i dont..”
Very good, then we agree that atmospheric science has a full grasp on the subject of contrails.
However, you continue to claim that not everything that looks like a persistent contrail is actually one - something that must have escaped the scientists so far.
Are you aware of the logical gap here?
Either their science is O.K. and there is no indication for what you claim, or you are right and they have missed something important - but you just said you don’t doubt that they have a full grasp ...
You even quote from a scientific paper which says conditions for persistent contrails are rare (without quantification though).
Did atmospheric science fail to notice ‘chemtrails’ through all its history? Why and how do you know better?
By Josh on 2015 01 05 - 00:35:28
you say, because contrails may persist, under very rare specific weather conditions, that means there is no such thing as chem trails. dont you lecture me on logic dickhead. just post some proof for some of your lies fool
By pffft on 2015 01 05 - 05:15:44
pffft/Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“just post some proof”
No. It is your claim that some of the trails which look and behave like persistent and spreading contrails are something else entirely.
So you tell atmospheric science what you think it has failed to notice so far.
By Josh on 2015 01 05 - 21:35:22
if i write an article - id be expected to back it up with proof. this is truthnews.com.au ( sic ) article.. so wheres the proof? - dont try and shift the onus onto people who simply ask for you to back up what you say with a little bit of evidence.
for reasons why it is not unreasonable to doubt what you are saying, you just have to go back through the hundreds of comments here and see what people have posted.. proof of chemical spraying is hardly a secret you fool..
By pfffft on 2015 01 06 - 04:50:59
josh idiot says.. nothing to worry about folks, you can always trust the government, there is no such thing as chemical spraying of any sort.
just another link to add to the many others that show josh to be the biggest turd on the planet
http://www.globalresearch.ca/atmospheric-geoengineering-weather-manipulation-contrails-and-chemtrails/20369
By pffft on 2015 01 06 - 05:23:18
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