Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
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TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

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How to debunk chemtrails

http://contrailscience.com/how-to-debunk-chemtrails/

While the title of this post is “How to Debunk Chemtrails”, the actual debunking depends on what version of the theory needs debunking. There’s a variety of common claims, and variations on those themes. The best approach is to debunk the individual claim .....rather than trying to debunk the entire theory.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 07 25 - 22:18:24

Chemtrails.

http://www.economicvoice.com/liborgate-dwarfed-by-geo-engineering-of-entire-planet/50031362

and

http://www.economicvoice.com/liborgate-dwarfed-by-geo-engineering-of-entire-planet/50031362#ixzz21bhVoGUJ

LiborGate dwarfed by geo-engineering of entire planet

July 24th, 2012
Author: Philip Ridley
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So, we had LiborGate, and I previously noted that this apparent scandal was the tip of the iceberg. Banks and governments have been colluding in hard core mafia crimes such as the laundering and dealing of hundreds of millions of dollars in narcotics and weapons.
Unfortunately I was rather conservative in my estimations since last week it came out that HSBC is implicated with £36 trillion in money laundering, a figure similar to the entire global GDP, dwarfing the hundreds of billions laundered by Wells Fargo. Old news for some, but trillion is so passé, like Dr Evil coming out of cryogenic freezing to demand one million dollars for the world. Bloomberg has been reporting for some time about the $1.2 quadrillion global derivatives market in a wholly unregulated, unreported “shadow banking system“. This is where that drugs money is taken, treated as collateral and then leveraged 10 or 100 times to 1 in the fractional reserve banking system. Of course, governments, agreeing to underwrite this monstrosity have put the entire Eurozone and indeed Western capitalism at threat.
But really, I wanted to write this article to explain that financial fraud, manipulation and systematic government sponsored Mafia behaviour is just the tip of the iceberg. These people clearly have ambition and money is a means to an end, so what is it that they are really up to? What would one do if they could print as much money as they wanted? What would government and corporations do if they could control the drugs trade and then leverage trillions of laundered dollars to buy up the planet?
If you thought that manipulation of the global financial system and quadrillions in derivatives were a big ask, the scandal I’m about to describe pales the former into being a minor significance.
The big piece of news, issued with a whimper and no follow up is that The Guardian, after reporting “potential” geo-engineering projects for a while now, with an entire section devoted to it on their online newspaper last week published a map of weather modification programs actually underway. Not only do we have covert systematic efforts to manipulate the entire financial system, but now we have to suffer our new Feudal overlords attempting to become God and manipulate the weather.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 07 29 - 09:45:11

Worryingly, much of the “developed world” is shown in that map as a hot spot for geo-engineering activity. They report active programs to alter precipitation and regulate solar exposure. This is despite no public debate. Yet Parliament has spoken on the topic, producing policy documents on the regulation of geo-engineering. That document states a “need” for geo-engineering alongside a curious claim that government should not encourage debate on the topic for fear that they would be seen as supporting it, in light of likely public opposition (no kidding). They call instead for “an international programme of upstream public engagement“. This worrying statement implies that those behind this program have little respect for national sovereignty, democracy or public debate, in scenes reminiscent of Stalin at his best.
The Politicians have good reason to keep these programs under wrap because evidence shows that the programs involve the dumping of mega-tons of toxic material into the atmosphere. For those concerned about organic farming, wildlife biodiversity and human health and wellbeing, not to mention our general experience on this planet, this has to be the greatest scandal untold in history. Worst of all, Parliament’s documents on geo-engineering admit that the climate is unwieldy and that the outcomes of such programs are unpredictable.
G. Edward Griffin recently produced a Youtube hit on this topic called “What in the World are they Spraying” and is presently producing a follow up called “Why in the World are they Spraying”. The documentary commences with news coverage of geo-engineering and then moves to coverage of a geo-engineering conference where scientists gathered to discuss programs. Most shocking of all was the admission that one proposal involves the spraying of 10 to 20 million tons of aluminium into the stratosphere to block out sunshine and manipulate weather patterns. The health and wildlife implications of this trigger concerns verging on genocide. The producers then went to visit Mount Shasta, California, where levels of aluminium in what should be a pristine wilderness have been measured at levels that should not occur next to an aluminium smelting plant. Subsequent investigation by the Mount Shasta Bioregional Ecology Centre found aluminium concentrations at 2190 ug/l, barium at 43 ug/1 (ppm) and strontium also at high levels. A similar pattern of toxicity has also been observed by Rosalind Peterson of The Agricultural Defence Coalition. Also, Clifford Carnicom who was one of the first people to bring these programs to light with his movie, Aerosol Crimes.
But it is not just citizen reporters looking into this. We have Bill Gates pouring cash into projects calling for the horrific spraying of millions of tons of sulphur dioxide 30 miles above the earth. As I said, LiborGate forget it, what we need is a new ClimateGate, or even God-Gate since that is what these so called people are trying to play. Just imagine what this is doing to air quality and the epidemic of death and disease for plants, humans and wildlife when megatons of aluminium, barium, sulphur dioxide, strontium and more sink to earth. Yet Gates claims to be a custodian of the planet, protecting us from global warming in a great irony.
Of course, to those who understand physics, and you can look this up, CO2 is measured in parts per million and is less potent a greenhouse gas than water vapour, which is 2% of the atmosphere and is primarily affected by sunshine. Gates must be aware of this since the sulphur he plans to inject into the atmosphere deflects heat primarily by nucleating clouds so that water vapour deflects heat from the planet, yet we are told that CO2 is the primary driver of the climate. Articles everywhere are stating that these programs could end our beautiful blue skies, turning them milk white, yet no debate.
CO2 is also being targeted, but the proposed solution gives a clue as to the real motivations. The Guardian again, recently reported plans to dump mega-tons of iron into the oceans. This would cause algal blooms that would sequester CO2. The problem is that this will also eliminate oxygen from the ocean creating dead zones for fish and marine plants, causing not only an ecological disaster but also potentially a massive fish shortage. The iron will also bio-accumulate in the fish we eat, causing toxicity in humans. Articles focus on the CO2 aspect, but the wholesale dumping of heavy metals into the atmosphere and sea make it more likely that this is corporations attempting to profit from toxic waste dumping. Converting a liability into a profit centre, making these programs defacto bailouts for heavy manufacturing firms.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 07 29 - 09:46:06

Looking back in history, this is nothing new. Old timers may recall that the US military was using geo-engineering during the 1960′s in Vietnam to extend the Monsoon season on the Ho Chi Minh Trail to flood out their enemies, then spraying tons of silver iodide. In 1977, the United Nations published the Environmental Modification Treaty, which states all the various methods and outlaws weather warfare, so this is old news really. More recently, the US Air Force made the audacious statement that it wishes to “own the weather” by 2025 in its “Weather as a Force Multiplier: Owning the Weather in 2025”. Closer to home, the BBC reported that the UK military had dumped tons of cadmium over Norwich during the 1960′s correlating with a massive increase in oesophageal cancer and cadmium is a known carcinogen. Unfortunately, as with the stories above and, as with manipulation of our financial system, it was the tip of a rather big iceberg with The Guardian reporting on declassified chemical and biological weapons testing over much of Britain between 1940 and the late 1970′s. These involved wholesale spraying of zinc cadmium sulphide, biological agents and more, in over 100 admitted “trials” which will themselves be dwarfed by projects which remain classified. In a defacto admission that these programs still exist, most likely merged into the overall geo-engineering program, Sue Ellison, Spokeswoman for Porton Down, asked whether such tests are still being carried out, said: ‘It is not our policy to discuss ongoing research.’

Planet Earth (NASA)
Meanwhile, as stated above, Parliament, aware of these proposals advises against public debate on what should be the greatest debate human discussion since Adam’s decision to leave the Garden of Eden! The question is whether we wish to live in a natural world, or an engineered planet pumped full of megatons of sulphur and heavy metals. That debate ought to have free reign to question motives and the “science” behind it, lest the military’s stated goal of owning the weather provide them motivation to provide us a false narrative. It is this author’s opinion that the burden of proof should be on the perpetrators, not the general public. In a massive expression of irony, London recently imposed emissions caps on heavy vehicles driving into central London. Could it be that said industrialists failed to invest in clean engines because they have been taxed out of existence to pay for black projects like geo-engineering and, bailouts of the fraudulent shadow banking system which they had no idea even existed?
Some say that we need a return to Glass-Steagall style regulations to separate casino banking from high street banking. I say that those measures are outdated. What we need is to go further and develop a system to separate normal people from the morons currently in charge. The traditional method for dealing with known hooligans and admitted psychopaths is jury trial and incarceration. However, for crimes against humanity and the planet such as spraying megatons of heavy metals into the stratosphere and ocean; do not be surprised if others call for a return to capital punishment.
Returning to finance, this writer agrees with Max Keiser that all investors should include guillotine manufacturers in their portfolio. If that industry fails to take off, we recommend strong defensive positions in your portfolio dominated by pharmaceutical companies and undertakers to profit from the geo-engineering genocide.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 07 29 - 09:46:29

One thing that governments will (or should) have to explain is how it is that the European Union passes legislation to have aircraft emssions included in their emissions trading scheme because they exacerbate global warming, while geoengineers propose the utilization of aircraft emissions for purposes of solar radiation management (to mitigate global warming).

Do contrails exacerbate or mitigate global warming?

By Wayne Hall on 2012 07 29 - 12:03:29

Call this normal contrail and you are blind, stupid, or both.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=l7TQ5VWdphM

By Skywatcher on 2012 07 30 - 07:59:14

Skywatcher - have you read the article?

Have you watched the video which shows WWII Bombers creating massive contrails?

Your post suggests to me that either A) you have not reviewed the information, or B) you refuse to acknowledge it.

I have looked at your evidence, and it is consistent with the information contained in this article. It proves nothing, other than what we already know about aircraft contrails.

Why is it that you can’t (or won’t) consider my evidence?

By Hereward Fenton on 2012 07 30 - 09:16:00

Some claim that better technology in jet engines means more contrails. Better technology means less fuel burned per ground nautical mile (the benchmark for combustion and economical operation efficiency) and therefore means very little because a greater air mass can be moved through a similar sized engine for the same burn, as the technology extracts a greater calorific value from a given amount of fuel, which means a little more water goes through which can be evaporated then condensed back into its former state through the heating and cooling process. The high altitude aircraft used during the Second World War were not only bombers but fighters and reconnaissance aircraft and the difference between that part of the world and Australia is ambient conditions where Europe has freezing levels far lower (in altitude) than those of our country and with that on a cold day with nil wind a contrail could last longer but can never “spread” to become a cloud mass for the very obvious reason that if that were the case the conditions would already be conducive to cloud formation. There is no way under the laws of thermodynamics that a few aircraft engines can substantially alter ambient conditions to create cloud. C. P. Snow made it clear to us that in a closed loop system the first law of thermodynamics tells us you can’t win and the second tells us you can’t even break even. i.e. You cannot make more from a given asset than you put in. Matter neither increase nor decreases. it simply changes form. The only water vapour that emits from an engine is that that went through it and that is shown by the amount of condensation “trailing” the aircraft. The suggestion, as has been posited, that a tonne of Jet A1 or Avtur can produce 3 tonnes of water is so preposterous that it boggles the mind that anybody could even make the claim.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 07 30 - 10:04:45

Leonard, I was incorrect about 3x, it is 1.3x. The 3X is the CO2 emission. There is ample evidence of the CO2 emission level… The IPCC for one and maybe even Wayne’s favorite group, the ETC can provide you with a reference. You can google the science if you wish. Nothing is being created out of thin air; the hydrocarbons in the fuel are chemically combining with the oxygen in the air during the combustion process.

Skywatcher, what you are seeing there is an example of an Airbus A330, which is what I fly, cruising inside a cirrus layer. What is coming off the wings is called aerodynamic contrailing. As the airstream goes over the top of the wing a low pressure area is formed. This is what actually creates lift. A side effect is a lowering of the temperature of the airmass down to the dewpoint, which creates condensing ice crystals and a contrail.

Here is a photo of an aircraft doing the same thing on takeoff; not in a cirrus layer, but in a supersaturated environment.

http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Cityhopper/Fokker-100-(F-28-0100)/1498002/M/

By Mike Glynn on 2012 07 30 - 10:36:00

hmmm try this..


http://www.airliners.net/photo/KLM-Cityhopper/Fokker-100-(F-28-0100)/1498002/M/

By Mike Glynn on 2012 07 30 - 10:41:15

Now can anyone explain to me why this aircraft would be Chemtrailing on takeoff?

By Mike Glynn on 2012 07 30 - 10:43:10

Leonard when you see that even such a powerful and comprehensive article as Philip Ridley’s has no effect on the mindset of Hereward Fenton and Mike Glynn, what makes you think that resumption of the dialogue of the deaf on their favourite subject of contrails vs chemtrails is going to help you change their minds on the more important matter of whether this planet and the life forms on it are being illegally sprayed and poisoned?

Or is that NOT the most important, for you?

By Wayne Hall on 2012 07 30 - 11:07:59

Leonard, I am sorry. I see that it was Skywatcher who brought us back to this topic.

By all means continue the discussion with Mike if you feel it can help.

I would be curious to know what Mike thinks on the subject of why geoengineers advocate using aircraft contrails to mitigate global warming if they actually exacerbate global warming, as claimed by the EU and former Environment Commissioner Dimas, who extended the Emissions Trading scheme to cover aviation.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 07 30 - 11:15:15

Wayne, I don’t know. Like a lot of things with climate science, it is debatable.

As far as Phillip Ridley is concerned, anyone who quotes Michael J Murphy’s “What in the world are they spraying” as a “documentary”, obviously hasn’t done any research on the man or his methods. MJM was asked to join the Robert Forgettes lawsuit and has declined. One wonders why..?

Is it too cynical to suggest that the last thing he would want, after charging $100 dollars apiece for his latest epic, “Why in the World are they Spraying?” is for the case to be settled in a court of law and the gravy train to end?

Wayne, I assume you are familiar with Rosalind Peterson.. the high priestess of the Chemtrail movement? What are your thoughts on her latest pronouncement with regards to chemtrails?

By Mike Glynn on 2012 07 30 - 12:23:17

Wayne, I don’t know. Like a lot of things with climate science, it is debatable.

So you don’t know the answer to my questions and I don’t know the answer to your questions.

I have spent several days together with Michael Murphy, in Ghent in Belgium, where Peter Vereecke was hosting us. M. Murphy is an honest person. You are the one who is cynical, it seems, about Murphy and more generally. I myself would not devote time or energy to supporting an American legal challenge on the subject of chemtrails, but I wish Robert Forgette well.

I would like to see you, as an active supporter of Robert Forgette, keeping us better informed on how things are developing with him and his case.

Robert Forgette is attending the “Consciousness Beyond Chemtrails” conference so Mike Murphy’s declining to support his lawsuit does not seem to have damaged relations between them.

Yes it is. Hideously so. I do not like being required to remain polite when exposed to such attitudes.

Wayne, I assume you are familiar with Rosalind Peterson.. the high priestess of the Chemtrail movement? What are your thoughts on her latest pronouncement with regards to chemtrails?

Rosalind Peterson was mentioned by Josh a couple of weeks ago and I responded in great detail. I thought you were following this thread.

By Wayne Hall on 2012 07 30 - 12:49:33

Robert Forgettes lawsuit!

This is only a red herring and if I am able to locate the court where this is supposed to be heard I will contact the court as Amicus Curiae because it is a frivolous, vexatious, malicious abuse of court process as it is clear that the litigants propose to contend nonsense and then offer a weak case to have their action defeated. Courts do not like being used for political purposes.
Leonard Clampett - Attorney.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 07 30 - 13:20:18

Wayne, your response in great detail did not address the question. Rosalind asserts that after 10 years of research she has no evidence of anything being emitting from aircraft exhausts apart from normal jet emissions.

What do you say to that?

Leonard, thank you for the input. I tend to agree but will continue to offer my advice to the group, for as long as it wants it. Already to day we had one member of the group espouse how desirable it would be to shoot down five “chemtrail” aircraft. How he would determine which aircraft is a “chemtrail” aircraft was not canvassed but if the selection method was based on whether or not it emitted a persistent contrail, then I believe there is genuine cause for alarm.

Wayne, as you have met MJM, can I ask how he makes his living? Genuine question.

By Mike Glynn on 2012 07 30 - 13:49:45

We are in the process of getting a super telephoto lens on a camera with tripod to “shoot” the aircraft which we believe are spraying chemicals. A contact in North West NSW telephoned two days ago to report an unmarked Boeing 737 spraying not above 15,000 ft AMSL (approximately). We are also planning to use a suitable aircraft to get closer to photograph a suspect aircraft. There is no doubt in my mind that chemicals are being sprayed, although not from commercial aircraft.

By Leonard Clampett on 2012 07 30 - 14:30:36

Leonard Clampett,

you will be surprised what marks the telephoto camera will reveal on your “unmarked” planes. By all means, go ahead with that process.

I’m also interested to learn about your method of determining the altitude of a plane from the ground.

By Josh on 2012 07 30 - 16:12:45

Wayne Hall said:

“I have spent several days together with Michael Murphy [...]. M. Murphy is an honest person.”

How did you arrive at that conclusion? Was it his firm handshake? Did he give you a warm, open look straight into your eyes?

Sorry, it’s hard not to be cynical when it comes to MJM, the guy who does not have any occupation other than making money off the chemtrail hoax. He is known to delete posts from his web site that question his “facts”. He never even discussed factual arguments against the claims in his “documentary” film.

But foremost, he is the one who spread widely the claim that “normal contrails don’t persist”. From your point of view, you should reprimand him for bringing the “contrails vs. chemtrails” issue to the center of the discussion. Do you?

By Josh on 2012 07 30 - 16:29:55

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RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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By Prova a Adidas Neutro Originals Nizza Nero Giallo on 2015 07 20 - 08:41:30
From the entry 'Statism, the greater good and the big lie'.

I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

good to see you putting out some new shows heraward

freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

By r0Kb3B0p on 2015 07 14 - 21:05:32
From the entry 'Addictions, obsessions, fanaticisms and distractions'.

Really truthfull.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:56:36
From the entry 'Defending your personal health choices'.

Yeah sure authority aware.

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:28:55
From the entry 'What is the future of Australia?'.

Stay tuned for more rules here as usually is the case!!!

By OZE on 2015 07 07 - 16:21:50
From the entry 'Mass media disinformation and brainwashing dissected'.

Almost two months since the last broadcast! How the hell can you expect people to donate when you don’t broadcast? Looks like the ship of truth has sprung a leak. This broadcast has been part of my life almost since its inception…it is one of the few alternative news sources that hasn’t gone off the deep end, by dilution credible information with crap e.g. Fairdinkum Radio and Info Wars…Pittard started FR with some incredibly interesting material, but then he flipped…Today he sounds like a fundamentalist preacher, the Christian equivalent to a Fanatical Islamist. As an atheist, I think he’s really ###### up a potentially good show. As for Info Wars, all they would have to do to improve is dump Alex Jones, what a shit-for-brains. I reckon Jones and Pittard are allowed to proliferate, because they’re so stupid and harmless. I suppose they have some entertainment value, and along with David Icke are living examples of how low the alternative media has sunk. Truth News Radio is, or should I say was, way ahead of them all ahead of them all in terms of credibility How sad that its come to this.

By Eugene on 2015 06 28 - 17:28:56
From the entry 'Introducing Internet.org: Mark Zuckerberg's free 'private' internet which will soon be rolled out to 4 billion+ people'.

Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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