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ha! what a f.u.c.king joke.. fenton et al can not answer a simple question and this place is nothing but spin, disinformation and lies.

Cris wrote:

“I don’t need radar because I can see the planes.”

The problems occurring when spotting non-trailing planes - empty field myopia, saccadic masking, possibly light haze, planes appearing very small - do affect everyone.
Even pilots are warned about the dangers they create during flight.

Are you saying you are an exception and not affected by these problems?

“Do you really think that everyday there are over a hundred jets in my little part of the South Burnett.”

Looking at FR24, there are many, possibly 60-70 (varying, of course), because planes from/to Sydney and Brisbane do fly over the region. Run FR24 in time-warping mode to visualize the traffic during one day.

If you say you have counted hundred, I really would like to learn more about your methods of establishing that number. Even better - provide a series of images or a video.

Cris,

I just counted the planes over South burnett for yesterday, Dec. 14th. I included only those which were actually crossing the region; you may be able to see many more from your place if they are trailing (usually around 60 miles in every direction).

The overall sum was 96. How many did you see?

josh anonymous counting planes..  more bullshit..

how many planes hit the pentagon josh you liar?  whats wrong? cant answer a simple question?

how many planes hit the pentagon josh you liar?  whats wrong? cant answer a simple question?

how many planes hit the pentagon josh you liar?  whats wrong? cant answer a simple question?

Maximus
100?
Why do I see none or one on a particular day and 100 plus the next?
Come on MB. I’ve been watching this unfold for decades.
Are you going to tell be you know more accurately because you can’t see anything, have not been watching and ignorance is is more valid than observed., factual, real time, evidence?
Interesting hypothesis. Perhaps in a time of universal deception a thesis on the same would be acclaimed.

How many of the 100 were jets?
So there are 100 plus passenger jets going over my little bit of the world every day?
So there are perhaps 10,000 or so people on jets over my little piece of the world.
Where are they going?
What are they doing?
Not here mate.
Please forgive me for doubting you!
Do jet engines produce a contrail that is the entire width of the tail of the plane?
Coming from less than the width of the tail behind the jet.
I further doubt that I would see planes 60 miles away.
Particularly when being about 200 nautical Km from Brisbane and less from Mudjimba they would be into their decent.
Do you like breathing Aluminium, Barium and Strontium?
Ahh! There is the problem.

Janonymous outed himself again. I have flown Sydney - Brisbane and Brisbane - Sydney many tines over many decades and if an aircraft were to fly over the Burnett region during any such flight they would be so far off track it is not even funny. So, Janonymous, please get one of your QANTAS pilots to explain in detail how he could be so far off track, (about two hundred kilometres to the nearest town on the Burnett (about 108 nautical miles) NORTHWEST of Brisbane.
“Looking at FR24, there are many, possibly 60-70 (varying, of course), because planes from/to Sydney and Brisbane do fly over the region. Run FR24 in time-warping mode to visualize the traffic during one day.”
I suspect Janonymous is a whack-job rather than a shill.

Cris wrote:

“Why do I see none or one on a particular day and 100 plus the next?”

I have repeatedly explained that. Why do you keep asking and then ignoring the answer?

“How many of the 100 were jets?”

All of the 96. There was one small plane flying IFR that I did not count. It’s unusual for small planes to have an ADS-B transponder equipped.

“So there are 100 plus passenger jets going over my little bit of the world every day?”

Nobody has claimed that. Of course it varies from day to day, and a big share of the traffic is freight planes.

“Where are they going?”

Click on individual planes in Flightradar 24 and you can see the flight details including destination.

“Not here mate.”

Are you saying Flightradar 24 is wrong and you are right? Can you elaborate?
Note that FR 24 is based on many independent volunteers who receive ADS-B data directly from the planes and upload it.

Have a look for yourself, by all means! In my last post I provided a direct link to the beginning of the recorded day.
How much easier do you need it to be? You can see the links in my posts, right?

“I further doubt that I would see planes 60 miles away.”

Yes, probably not the planes but you’ll see the contrails.
Other people have taken on the task of finding out the specifics. You have the given contrail height of about six miles, so with simple trigonometry you can determine the approximate distance from the viewing angle over the horizon.

Five degrees means 68 miles, roughly 110 km - in every direction. South Burnett is grossly 80 km wide and 120 km long, so your field of view is bigger than the area of the region.

Leonard Clampett,

“I have flown Sydney - Brisbane and Brisbane - Sydney many tines”

Huh? Did anybody talk about that route?

I said that planes from Sydney and to Sydney as well as planes from Brisbane and to Brisbane are flying over the region.

Earlier I have stated (referring to Queensland):

“All the traffic between Shanghai, Beijing in the North-West and Sydney in the Sout-East is going over it, as well as the Brisbane - Singapore route. Among the traffic are many cargo flights which shouldn’t come as a surprise. Then add all those continental connections.”

Here is a direct link to the enroute vector map centered over Brisbane. Drag it to South Burnett - as I said, fairly busy.

how many planes hit the pentagon josh you liar?  whats wrong? cant answer a simple question?

dont ya love it when theis .. beyond the spin website ... posts twitter links ad nauseam regurtitating main stream media spin of the ‘sydney siege” - utter hypocrisy

how many planes hit the pentagon josh you liar?  whats wrong? cant answer a simple question?

Janonymous seems not to be able to understand that which he writes. BTW Janonymous, you did not “say”, you “wrote” the following. Perhaps English is not your first language, but you seem to try hard with it to demonstrate your odd views. You WROTE the following;

“Looking at FR24, there are many, possibly 60-70 (varying, of course), because planes from/to Sydney and Brisbane do fly over the region. Run FR24 in time-warping mode to visualize the traffic during one day.”

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This means aircraft from/to Sydney and Brisbane. There is no mention of any other geographical locations so it is demonstrable that you refer to those two cities. It means aircraft flying between the two cities. If you really knew anything about that which you claim, you would know that aircraft that fly over the Burnett are not those between Sydney and many other places. Look at the maps. look at the high and low level RNC’s. Wake up. If you meant aircraft arriving at, and departing from, Sydney and Brisbane for other locations you would have written so.

Janonymous, if you knew anything at all, you would know that the Skyvector aeronautical charts you give reference to are simply charts of airways and no indication of any traffic whatsoever.

Leonard Clampett,
“I have flown Sydney - Brisbane and Brisbane - Sydney many tines”
Huh? Did anybody talk about that route?
I said that planes from Sydney and to Sydney as well as planes from Brisbane and to Brisbane are flying over the region.
Earlier I have stated (referring to Queensland):
“All the traffic between Shanghai, Beijing in the North-West and Sydney in the Sout-East is going over it, as well as the Brisbane - Singapore route. Among the traffic are many cargo flights which shouldn’t come as a surprise. Then add all those continental connections.”
Here is a direct link to the enroute vector map centered over Brisbane. Drag it to South Burnett - as I said, fairly busy.
By Josh on 2014 12 17 - 22:34:06

Pretty busy here.
Looked at the link late last night.
If there were planes on those routes I would have seen very few as nearly all of the routes don’t come close enough to me.
Maximus, you are not omniscient.
You are clueless.
By the way I I still don’t have an answer for when there are 3 or more abreast?????
What about the ones that intersect those paths….only a few of which go near me?????
What about the stop start ones?
And the ones that make curvy border around an approaching weather front?
Or the giant circle that I took photos of?
Just because the lap dog news can pump out NWO propaganda unopposed because they won’t print evidence to the contrary doesn’t mean you will get away with it.
Do you need hearing aids?
VERY FEW JETS UP HERE UNLESS THERE IS IMMANENT RAIN!!!

Leonard

This means aircraft from/to Sydney and Brisbane. There is no mention of any other geographical locations so it is demonstrable that you refer to those two cities.

he must really struggle with simple day to day tasks.. honestly.. that is another example of when he accussed me of making threats, then denied he wrote that, then wanted me to show him precisely where he did, and when shown, simply ignores all reference to it..  pretends it didnt happen at all.. unbelievable really - if he is the best answer to prove that chemtrails dont exist, they really are struggling.. 

he thinks proving a point, obviously, is simply banging away at the keyboard and hitting submit, with no consideration to rhyme or reason.. relevence, consistency, logic or common sense.

he wont / cant even answer simple questions.. incapable of providing a yes or no answer to a simple question. he feels his inconsistencies, lies, qualifications, credibility, have no relevence to anything so long as he keeps the babble going on and on.. he is doing a good job.

I suspect Janonymous is a whack-job rather than a shill.

you might be right there, it would be almost impossible for a shill to pretend to be so stupid.. and in most instances, id feel a little bit of pity..  but i dont in this case, he needs medication or something, he is obviously in a lot of misery..

chris

By the way I I still don’t have an answer for when there are 3 or more abreast?????

you dont get answers from josh anonymous.. its beyond his capabilities, you will get a whole heap of incomprehensible bluff and bluster though..

i usually try to make it easy for the poor sap, just asking simple yes or no questions, or those requiring a one word answer..  but they seem to be the ones he struggles with the most? - he really is an enigma.. he should donate his body to science, and i dont think he should wait till he dies either..

Leonard Clampett is correct if he states that airway charts are no direct indication of actual traffic.

However it shows that there are designated routes over South Burnett. It’s not an area where air traffic is unusual.

For the actual traffic consult Flightradar 24 over the South Burnett region.

Regarding the semantics of “from/to Sydney and Brisbane” let me clearly state that I never had the route between Sydney and Brisbane in mind. This might have been more clear to people following the discussion with Cris.

The bottom line and the relevant point is that there is just no evidence for days with “only one jet” over South Burnett. Flight tracking shows clearly that there is constant traffic over the region. Show me a day with only five jets over South Burnett on Flightradar 24 - even limited to the daylight period - and I will be convinced.

The statement of Cris (“We are lucky to get 1 jet a day visible here normally”) can indeed only refer to the visibility with bare eyes on a non-trail day, not the actual traffic, as explained extensively and repeatedly.

Regarding the “3 or more abreast” situation that Cris referred to, I quote my reply from the first time this was brought up:

Next time you see three planes abreast, or circles, or grids - grab a camera and take a picture. Otherwise it’s hard to say what you saw. May have been normal traffic where the many routes are bound to intersect at some points, or circling in holding positions, or military exercises.

Without seeing pictures, it’s just speculation.

I can add now that I have observed several situations on Flightradar where three planes were close together (vertically separated of course), going in the same direction. Why should that be unusual?

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how many planes hit the pentagon josh? liar.

how many planes hit the pentagon liars? - the people who run this pissant dog and pony show website are comulsive liars and disinfo time wasting shills whith a combined iq smaller than their shoe size