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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?
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Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.
All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.
If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.
However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.
The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.
There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!
Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.
CONTRAIL SCIENCE
For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.
Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.
After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.
Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
- source
TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.
But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.
That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.
If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.
Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.
Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.
Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?
Think about it.
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Oh My Josh
Yes there are routes.
Minimal ones.
Many less than the lines I could see.
Not anywhere near over a hundred in a day.
Thanks for the info though as many of the lines don’t match the routes.
Nor do the circles.
Are there any routes with circles in them?
I can’t comprehend why you are so interested in such useless disinformation.
What is it to you?
Andrew
The 3 abreast, and more, are always ahead of a front that is just behind them.
Or they fly over the top into view while they spew out the junk for a while. Then they peel off either way. Strange that there is not a route for that???? The routes seem to be in straight lines????
I’m still waiting for an explanation to be tabled.
I guess we will be informed of why. Unless I am found to be experiencing the paranormal.
By Cris on 2014 12 23 - 10:20:22
Wow, this from Joshnonymous, “Leonard Clampett is correct if he states that airway charts are no direct indication of actual traffic. I am less than enthused to have a hobby glider pilot, non professional, lay claims that I am correct. he appears to keep misunderstanding the written word wherein I did actually state that airways charts are no indication of traffic. I suspect it indicates how strong his delusions are when he seems to believe his word is the be-all, end-all. Gives credence to my belief that he argues just for the sake of arguing,
By Leonard Clampett on 2014 12 25 - 07:26:19
Leonard Clampett,
after so many words, what point are you making?
Do you also claim that there are only one or two jets a day over South Burnett usually?
Are you able to identify just one of those usual days on FlightRadar 24?
By Josh on 2014 12 25 - 15:46:07
Cris wrote:
“Yes there are routes. Minimal ones. Many less than the lines I could see. Not anywhere near over a hundred in a day.”
There is a misunderstandig right there.
The vector routes are not individual flights. They are “roads” that can be quickly assigned to planes by air traffic control. Like with roads on the ground, it does not mean ‘one road, one car’.
Apart from these routes, a pilot can always request a different course for his flight from ATC. Again, for the actual traffic record go to FlightRadar 24.
As for the other things you are seeing - show us the pictures.
By Josh on 2014 12 25 - 16:01:17
We are indebted to a 4 year old who found this by tapping on the keyboard of his father’s computer. A short film about dissipation of energy in the sky. Hmmmmm. Seems like the last 55 years mean nothing to Joshnonymous (not synonymous with intelligence) and Hereward as they remain in the past.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3HaWViVjF8 Eyes in Outer Space 1959 Walt Disney presents - Eyes in Outer Space 1959. A Science - Factual Presentation aka Weather Control in the Future.
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By Leonard Clampett on 2014 12 26 - 11:12:59
Leonard Clampett,
this is a quote from the 1959 docutainment movie you linked to, just ahead of the ‘science fiction’ part:
“Let us project our present knowledge with a little imagination and speculate how satellites may be used in future operations from a world wide weather center.”
So it’s imaginative speculation, incorporating the scientific knowledge of the fifties. Are you suggesting this is in any way evidence of ongoing secret geoengineering now?
There was in fact a project in the U.S. targeting possible hurricane control, running from 1962 to 1983. However, no indication was found that the various experiments had any of the intended effects. See Project Stormfury.
BTW, have you finally worked out how water is created during combustion of hydrocarbon fuel?
By Josh on 2014 12 27 - 05:28:47
Andrew Adams wrote:
“josh [...] would have people believe that the rare conditions for the formation of contrails, are in reality, an everyday occurance - no matter where one lives.”
Where am I supposed to have said that? Can you quote me this time, at least?
By Josh on 2014 12 27 - 05:52:42
Any further obscene or offensive comments will be deleted and IP addresses banned.
By Hereward Fenton on 2014 12 27 - 10:32:01
when the truth hurts you too much.. fenton bans ips and deletes comments. why dont you just answer a simple question fenton if youre not a liar.. wheres your proof a 757 hit the pentagon?
go ahead and ban my ip - again.. - for all the good that will do you… it takes one second to get a new one.. dont you remember? you had to switch to a new comment system? what happenned? no one commented on anything? made this lying cesspool blog look like you were talking to yourself?—ha.. simpletons..
just try some honest answers for once why dont you..
By you know who on 2014 12 27 - 10:46:21
what is more offensive to people do you think?
a little bit of colourful language, that you see and hear everyday on tv.. or for someone to constantly lie to them.
youre a hypocrite fenton, and no amount of bans or deletions will cure that, the only hope you have is to admit youre wrong about the pentagon, and chemtrails, and well.. just about everything else you do. your whole life is a farce.
is that offensive? because its true?
By meh on 2014 12 27 - 10:51:07
its there for everyone to see.. unless fenton deleted it.. he likes to hide the truth
By meh on 2014 12 27 - 10:54:06
fenton says,
want to see a liar in action? ask him for the slightest bit of evidence, and he will run a mile, screaming about obscenities, or he will pretend he didnt see the question.
http://truthandshadows.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/official-911-propaganda-embraced-by-truthers-who-say-that-a-plane-hit-the-pentagon/
he is a con artist, a pretender, a wannabe.. not an ounce of credibility
By meh on 2014 12 27 - 11:31:52
how much heavy metal should there be in rainwater?
chemtrailsnorthnz . wordpress.com/?s=rainwater <—remove spaces
how many 757s hit the pentagon?
dont expect an honest answer from this website - another example of their hypocrisy is that they still use facebook, after condemning it as evil.. jolly jokers they are
By meh on 2014 12 27 - 11:56:21
speaking of facebook..
https://www.facebook.com/AustraliansAgainstChemtrails
8,492 likes versus.. fenton ( who is a self declared expert on everything, his opinion really counts ) glynn ( who is paranoid about being shot out the sky as his only qualification ) and an anonymous internet truthiness arbiter - josh ????
looks like you have failed miserably to be anywhere near convincing with your garbage .. must try harder
By meh on 2014 12 27 - 12:23:58
Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“its there for everyone to see.. ”
So you claim, but you can’t actually point to it? Just quote it - should be easy if your claim is correct.
By Josh on 2014 12 27 - 15:05:01
Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:
“how much heavy metal should there be in rainwater?”
It depends on the collection method. If you want to test solely the water, you have to filter out most or all solids from the rainwater before testing. That means removing all dust and dirt.
If you do it like this Francis Mangels from the video, and send dirt water to the lab - like he notoriously did for the movie “What in the world are they spraying” - you will get a notable share of metals. Here is his actual lab sheet - the lab called it “pond sediment” and “sludge”.
Dust is mostly soil, soil is mostly minerals, and minerals are mostly metal compounds. Clay for instance typically consists of aluminum, hydrogen and oxygen (image from this page)
The lab test (using ion chromatography) cracks up all molecules and shows the amount of metal atoms in the mineral dust. Aluminum atoms have an overall share of roughly 8 percent in the earth’s crust - bound in minerals like clay.
By Josh on 2014 12 27 - 16:22:15
Maximus
Clay plates are a very stable aluminoslicate compound that has cation exchange capability. Free aluminium and barium are another matter.
But you haven’tr been listening, have you.
Just continue to aid the destruction of beauty and sustenance in any you can.
By Cris on 2014 12 27 - 17:53:27
ohh so you can see comments josh? good try.. but can you say how many planes hit the pentagon? ..
By meh on 2014 12 27 - 18:09:30
Cris wrote:
“Free aluminium and barium are another matter.”
Exactly! The main source of misunderstanding is that for ion chromatography there is no difference between free and bound metals! You can’t tell which is which from the test result.
By Josh on 2014 12 27 - 18:12:24
Andrew Adams/Skywatcher,
as stated before I am not in the least interested in what you believe happened on 9/11.
It is irrelevant in the discussion about normal contrails being able to persist and spread.
By Josh on 2014 12 27 - 18:20:19
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