as stated before I am not in the least interested in what you believe happened on 9/11.

It is irrelevant in the discussion about normal contrails being able to persist and spread.

as stated before you ignominious troll, the credibility of you and your cohorts is very relevant. you think no one notices your lies, because you simmply feel you can wave your hans like a jedi, and all the evidence .. dissipates.. well no josh.. it lingers.

you have lied repeatedly here, as has fenton, and glynn.. you have no credibility, no integrity..  and it is not what i think happenned on 9/11.. it is what you claim here on this website of yours that i am questioning..

you claim a plane hit the pentagon.. all im asking for is your evidence.. and you have none..  if you had some, youd simply post it

Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:

“you claim a plane hit the pentagon.”

Quote?

all over the internet you can find fentons claims where he says
“i think we can all agree a plane hit the pentagon” even on this website of yours,

so what? are you disagreeing with the know all lord of everything now? you saying a plane didnt hit the pentagon? you are a rather wishy washy one, arent you josh anonymous..

so.. how many planes hit the pentagon josh? whats wrong? cant answer a simple question?   - pathetic

dont worry folks, all the heavy metals in your rain water is perfectly natural, wherever you are, no such thing as chemtrails, everything you see in the sky, is just water..  regarldess of where you see it, when you see it, regardless of the weather conditions at the time, and despite me not knowing what youre looking at.. it is only a contrail. trust me, i am anonymous and have no qualifications.  ohh.. and despite there being zero evidence to support the claim, a 757 did indeed hit the pentagon.

Andrew Adams/Skywatcher,

you claimed that I wrote “i think we can all agree a plane hit the pentagon”.

For the third time, when called out on such a claim, you cannot back it up with a quote.

Also, I never said “trust me”. Quite the contrary, I encourage everyone not to just believe me but to check out the facts and references I provided. Attacking me personally does nothing to invalidate these references.

And now you are posting under my username. Are you trying to discredit me? Does that mean you don’t have any factual arguments left?

For the third time, when called out on such a claim, you cannot back it up with a quote.

dont need a quote.. you have repeatedly demonstrated your position here, enough evidence to damn you as an inconsequntial lying idiot.

this website was set up by you and fenton. you ( this website, claims.. a plane hit the pentagon )
so you can either back that statement up, or disown it..

thats what im asking idiot.. how many planes do you say hit the pentagon?

im using whatever you say next as a gauge as to your credibility..

ready? go!

And now you are posting under my username. Are you trying to discredit me? Does that mean you don’t have any factual arguments left?

there you go folks.. thats what he thinks of you.. that simply because i sign an obviously sarcastic post under joshs name.. he thinks youre really that stupid to believe its him..  similar to when he accussed me of threatening people..

what a dick josh is

Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:

“this website was set up by you and fenton.”

Huh? How did you arrive at that assumption? Can you back it up?

“Huh? How did you arrive at that assumption? Can you back it up?”

fenton himself says it was set up by him and his mate josh.. are you saying that is not you?

also, you still seem incapable of saying how many planes hit the pentagon..  whats wrong? you dont want to agree with fentons idiocy? or you dont want to publicy disagree with him? whats your problem?

Hereward Fenton the organizer and member of “We Are Change – Sydney” says “this protest will be held in honor of the Australian lives lost on 9/11 and the brave soldiers who have fallen since in Afghanistan in their name. We also will remember the innocent Afghan deaths and hope that we can help bring Afghanistan to peace!”.

afghanistan fighters were there in the name of the victims of 9/11? what a load of bollocks! brave? maybe.. stupid? definitely!
afghanistan was every bit as illegal and immoral as the invasion of iraq, also on the back of the lies of 9/11

fenton continues to push the barrow , despite saying he is a 9/11 truther.. that the events of 9/11 were in fact committed by box cutter wielding terrorists..  what a liar, what a simpleton..

Seems like Joshnonymous has a good grounding in meteorology having passed the examinations such as here shown, wherein you get the answers in practice from the Internet, where he gets all his information. As an amateur he claims to be more informed than I, as a professional, who holds Senior Commercial then Airline Transport Pilot Licences from 4 countries Australia, Papua New Guinea, Canada and Fiji. The full gamut from tropics to the Arctic. I have spent 583.33 days in the air, or 83.33 weeks, or 20.83 months or 1.736 years overall. Josh has still not explained why he believes that he can cool an Olympic sized swimming pool by throwing in a bucket of ice cubes, nor how he can heat it by throwing in a bucket of boiling water. He clearly does not understand compression but still blunders on with his brand of “facts”. Joshnonymous would also have little flight time at Flight Levels and none on instruments. I have 400 hours instrument flight time, and that is because I only log actual hand flying the aircraft on instruments, unlike the modern permissible practice of logging all instrument time even when the aircraft is on autopilot. I always hand flew from the ground to 10,000 feet on climb and from 10,000 on descent feet down to landing with an occasional autopilot approach to keep in practice for those thrice yearly capability tests. His experiences all seem to be in his head from that which he downloads from web-sites. I think we need not concern ourselves at all with his bleating really. He is an amateur in every sense of the word.

BASIC SOARING METEOROLOGY

1. At what rate (in degrees Celsius per 1,000ft) does a thermal cool as it rises in clear air? What is the name given to this rate?

2. What is meant by “atmospheric stability”?

3. What is “water vapor”?

4. What is “dew point”?

5. If a thermal is capped by a cloud, what does the cloud consist of?

6. What happens to a thermal inside a convection cloud?

7. What is “Coriolis force” and what is its effect on a wind blowing from high pressure to low pressure?

8. In which direction does the wind blow around an anticyclone?

9. A cyclone is an extreme form of….what?

10. What is the effect of an increase in height on (a) air temperature, (b)air pressure, (c) air density.

11. Which is likely to generate the most hazardous weather for gliding, a warm front or a cold front?

12. In what kind of pressure pattern is subsidence likely?

13. What is the effect of subsidence on thermal development?

14. What is a “down burst” or “micro burst”? Where are they likely to be found and what does a glider pilot do about them?

15. Are the conditions following the passage of a cold front likely to be good or bad for soaring?

BASIC SOARING METEOROLOGY - ANSWERS

1. 3 degrees per 1,000ft. The Dry Adiabatic Lapse Rate.

2. A temperature structure in the atmosphere whereby a rising thermal will tend to reach temperature equilibrium with its surrounds and therefore stop rising.

3. The invisible moisture present in the atmosphere to some extent at all times.

4. The temperature at which water vapor condenses into visible water droplets in the atmosphere.

5. Visible water droplets (NOT water vapor).

6. It increase its rate of ascent due to the release of latent heat when water vapor changes its state to visible water droplets at the dew point.

7. The effect of the earth’s rotation the wind, causing an otherwise straight flow of wind to turn into spiral patterns around areas of high and low pressure.

8. Anti-clockwise in the Southern Hemisphere.

9. Depression.

10. They all decrease with height.

11. A cold front (blustery winds, rain, possible thunderstorms).

12. An anticyclone.

13. It tends to inhibit thermal development.

14. An extremely strong downdraft, causing locally strong surface winds which are often hazardous. They are found on the edges of thunderstorms, often at a considerable distance from the storm itself. Glider pilots must avoid them at all costs; although the down burst itself may be invisible, they are sometimes marked by areas of rising dust where they reach the ground.

15. Good (unstable air with enough moisture to form cumulus clouds).

http://www.glidingwa.com.au/Certificate.htm#cFLIGHTRULESANDPROCEDURES

Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:

“fenton himself says it was set up by him and his mate josh.. are you saying
that is not you?”

Yes, that’s what I’m saying.

Leonard Clampett wrote about me:

“As an amateur he claims to be more informed than I, as a professional”

As I have said several times before - credentials are irrelevant if you don’t get your facts straight. You still have not issued any comments regarding your earlier claims after I have refuted them.

Did you change your stance on supersaturation with respect to ice?
Does it exist and is it a commonly occurring phenomenon as atmospheric science says?

Does one tonne of jet fuel generate roughly 1.3 tonnes of water when combusted?
Isn’t it basic chemistry that burning of any hydrocarbon fuel creates water?

Have you accepted that you can’t determine the altitude of a contrail just by using your stereoscopic view?

Yes, that’s what I’m saying.

so youre saying its not you, but you wont say who you are, and still, youre very selective about what questions you do or dont answer arent ya..

you wont say what qualifies tyou to hang out here and be fentons little mouthpiece on all things chemtrail. despite a plethora of evidence, you sit here stupidly for years..  arguing against the obvious.

you accuse people of making threats, and call in people to come see the threats, but you dont call the police?  then you say you didnt accuse me of making threats, after saying you called in glynn because it was obvious, then you say again i did make a threat, but still dont call the police.

you wont answer the simple question about how many planes hit the pentagon.  fenton claims, or others claim on his behalf.. that he is australias formost journalist on 9/11!!! what a joke.. he is pushing the official narrative!

this site, fenton, and you, his little buddy, gilligan, have absolutely no credibility, you obfuscate, you mis inform, you disinform, and you cant answer simple questions..

fenton pops up whenever i say ####.. and bans my ip ( another claim of his is being a computer programmer, but he doesnt understand how pointless banning an ip is? ) and deletes comments.. but he wont back up his claims..  because he knows he cant.. so why doesnt he just admit it? because, as written elsewhere by others.. he simply wont/cant admit he is wrong..

like when i pointed out his hypocrisy in saying facebook is bad, and we should all stop using it, all the while, he is STILL using it.. -  when i politely pointed out that was hypocritical, he banned me, and deleted comments..

no integrity, no credibility..  theres hundreds of thousands around the world that are concerned about chemtrails, that you glynn and fenton are simply unable to dismiss as contrails, yet despite having no definitive evidence to prove theres no such thing as chemical spraying going on, you will sit here for years, arguing that is the case..

and you expect people to take you seriously?

You still have not issued any comments regarding your earlier claims after I have refuted them.

in order for you to refute anything.. you have to have, and be able to show, relevant qualifications.

blabbering on endlessy - about how there is no such thing as a chemtrail, ( where evidence shows otherwise ) is not a refutation of anything, except your abilty for any form of logical reasoning.

if fenton, and his pathetic websites miserable hangers on, glynn, josh, et al; wish to establish any form of credibility, he must..

1. be willing to answer relevant questions regarding specific claims he makes, ie; show reaonable evidence, why he feels it ok to claim.. “we can all agree a plane ( specifically, a 757 in this instance, ) hit the pentagon.

2. he must, instead of simply, ignoring, banning, deleting comments that show him to be hypocritical, insincere..  put up an argument as to the contrary, or admit his mistake.. 

3. if he is going to argue there are no such things as chemtrails.. ( good luck with that ) he must do more than simply state, “under specific, rare conditions, contrails may persist” because that, in a nutshell.. is what all you monkeys are saying. you say, contrails may persist ( which no one here has denied ) and therfore.. what everyone is seeing, are contrails.  - well numpties, that aint how it works.. 

But, please, don’t take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they’ll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don’t form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That’s the facts folks, and it’s been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I’m afraid you’ve been conned.

that in itself.. does not prove chemtrails dont exist.  so… if you have anything of substance to prove your case..  ( and i doubt that after almost 1000 comments on this thread youre yet to offfer anything, then please, do it now.. otherwise admit your failings.. apologise to everyone, or..    persist in your ridiculous stupidy of pretending you know better than everyone else..

so what you going to do hereward? you great interviewer you.. you going to ignore this? going to delete it? or are you for once, going to show some testicular fortitude…  nancy.

also. from what i can ascertain from fentons trolling on the web looking for people stupid enough to come onto his radio show.. or whatever he likes to call it.. he is also in the tony abbott camp where climate change is crap.

fact is.. climate is changing, at a helluva rate..

you dont need graphs, or expert opinion.. you just have to be old enough to remember when certain crops that used to be grown in places, cant be grown there any more, and areas that never had frosts, have their crops destroyed from frosts, extreme record, weathor events, on a weekly basis it seems, well…  if you just look around.. or up… its impossible to miss.

whatever the cause.. be it inadvertant, our careless burning of fossil fuels.. or be it deiberate, as part of government desire to own the weather.. there are simply some things that are undeniable.

things like.. a 757, did not hit the pentagon. this like.. trails.. other than persistant con trails.. in our sky. as reported by hundreds of thousands of reasonable credible qualified people..

the same science that shows the official account of 9/11 impossible, that shows the planet being affected by human activity, that show evidnce of intent for geoengineering, patents, capability, a proven track record of doing whatever it takes, regardless of human suffering…  to enact these plans..

and fenton, josh anonymous, idiot “they will shhoot us out the sky” glynn..  all sitting here lying their fat arses off.. telling anyone who will listen, that black is white.

after thousands of comments, its time you backed up your claims with some evidence that can withstand a little scrutiny.. or admit youre in no position to be telling peope you have truth news for them..

meh/Andrew Adams/Skywatcher wrote:

“after thousands of comments, its time you backed up your claims with some evidence”

There are plenty of references, links to scientific papers and to university web sites that were posted in the comments here, but which you so far failed to discuss, let alone to prove wrong. So you have it completely backwards.

“in order for you to refute anything.. you have to have, and be able to show, relevant qualifications.”

No, you don’t. Your references should be sound though, and your conclusions should be logical.

Why are you insisting on credentials when you don’t even provide your own? You claim you can tell which is a normal contrail and which is not. Do you know something that no atmospheric scientist does?

Now, while you are at it answering for Leonard Clampett - is he right when he says that contrails are created by pressure changes in a jet engine, not by adding water to the atmosphere? That there is no such thing as supersaturation in the free atmosphere?

Do you agree that the burning of jet fuel creates water?

BTW, trying to bring in 9/11 is nothing but a distraction. Normal contrails can and do persist since the early days of aviation. There is no evidence to the contrary, just plenty of assumptions and misunderstandings.

Bulldusticus Maximus
Or should the name be Stuffedifiknow?
Do you have an agenda?
Does that include not answering the most basic of questions if it dies not suit the agenda?
Is that because you don’t know and are not interested in fact?
Take a look at this folks :
http://www.pakalertpress.com/2014/12/27/italians-blow-chemtrails-secret-war-lid-off-with-film-watch-here/?utm_source=feedburner&\
Geoengineering, including Chentrails, is beyond dispute.
It is now being called necessary when questioned.
By the way are Barium and Aluminium products of combustion Stuffedifiknow?
Come on, Stop arguing the unarguable.

Cris wrote:

“Does that include not answering the most basic of questions [...] ?”

What specific question from you have I not answered?

“By the way are Barium and Aluminium products of combustion [...] ?”

No. Who said that?

All blood and rain tests quoted as evidence of chemtrail spraying were conducted on the ground. There is none that was based on a sample directly from a trail.

Again:

Dust in rain water shows up as metals during ion chromatography, the common method of analysis. The possible sources of impurity in the samples are manifold. Dust is everywhere and is washed down with rain, as you certainly know.

Blood tests were misinterpreted. Even if there had been dangerously elevated levels (there weren’t any), the cause could have been anything. Where is the evident connection to contrails?

About the video from TankerEnemy you linked - I stopped watching when the first ‘evidence’ he presented was the old story about HR 2977, the “Space Preservation Act”. I have written about it earlier, but for simplicity the history of this thing is summarized here.

Why don’t you pick the one piece of chemtrail evidence that convinces you most from the video and we’ll discuss it?