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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?
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Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.
All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.
If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.
However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.
The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.
There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!
Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.
CONTRAIL SCIENCE
For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.
Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.
After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.
Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
- source
TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.
But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.
That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.
If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.
Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.
Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.
Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?
Think about it.
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The preceding remark was addressed to Skywatcher.
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 06 - 19:37:03
I have no evidence that the following video is not faked. Nor am I going to look for any. Nor am I going to talk about contrails versus chemtrails, which is an argument that the people distributing the video are still interested in pursuing. But there are some allegations made on the video that I think people here should KNOW are being made. Just that. Know that they are being made. Don’t argue about them. Of course if Mike wants to make some comments, they may help to shed light on the situation. From the viewpoint of how the allegations mesh with his own experience. Let us pursue the matter in a spirit of inquiry, not a spirit of winning arguments.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2G6TB2LyEs&feature=youtu.be
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 11:36:25
Air-to-Air Video Reveals 5 Contrails From 4 Engine Airbus A380
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1rtwdRDd2c&feature=relmfu
There are plenty of videos available for those with eyes to see and ears to hear.
By Leonard Clampett on 2012 08 07 - 12:27:26
Wayne Hall,
so you are posting a video from TankerEnemy, with someone telling unverifiable stories in a radio show, and then you request we don’t argue about it? Really?
So how do we make inquiries about that person’s statements? The original video is from 2008, and TankerEnemy writes on his site about a “friend” (amico) who was on the phone on a show of radio “Gamma 5”. He is giving Bologna as his home but no name.
The flight he is telling about was a charter from Paris to Cuba, on 2008-01-19; airline was Blue Panorama.
Hmm, now how can we contact other passengers from that flight? How can we get a confirmation for the statement?
It would have been easier if TankerEnemy had tried that right away ...
By Josh on 2012 08 07 - 13:12:53
Skywatcher,
you said:
You really have no idea about how empirical scientific research works, do you?
There is “no irrefutable evidence beyond all reasonable doubt” that Santa Claus & the tooth fairy are just stories invented for children.
So maybe they’re real huh?
Anyway, free to waffle on endlessly about unsubstantiated nonsense, I’m collecting revenue from the ads, I don’t mind!
By Hereward Fenton on 2012 08 07 - 14:00:13
Leonard Clampett,
it would have been preferable to link the original video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xl6iR7w7a_Q
Regarding the additions by “Geoengineering Watch” or whoever:
1. Look at 1:08 in the original video and you can see more clearly what is happening. The inner engine trails get a twist, obviously from some vortices. They are lightened from the left side, the sun is low (indicated by the light on the plane’s body).
As a consequence, a part of the right inner trail is shadowed. It’s still a single trail.
2. It’s not at all clear that the trails of the plane are persistent as claimed. On the contrary, the volumous body of vapour immediately behind the plane seems to disappear almost immediately, and the thin leftovers further back have gaps already.
There is no evidence for the whole trail to persist more than a minute behind the plane.
By Josh on 2012 08 07 - 14:24:35
OK Josh, at least you are for once providing what might be information, and not just an opinion or a gut reaction, real or pretended.
When you talk about “us” contacting people and checking information, who are you referring to? You and me?
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 15:33:52
Hereward Fenton, now that I have provided, as requested, information on “my agenda”, what is your opinion of my agenda?
And, since you raised the subject, what is “yout agenda”? Apart from raising revenue on ads, as you say.
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 15:41:04
Simple answer re: the shades. On long haul flights, after the meal is served people generally wish to either sleep or watch a movie. The shades being open prevent this.
Paris to Cuba is a long haul flight that flies west.. following the sun, therefore it remains sunny at a time when people are usually asleep in their own time zone. Therefore the flight attendants close the shades.
If you have any friends who are long haul flight attendants, feel free to verify this with them.
Occams razor.
By Mike Glynn on 2012 08 07 - 15:48:51
Why did the flight attendant ask him to turn off his videocamera? Or is he making this up?
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 15:57:30
Of course he says that this was on the return flight, not the time that he alleges the captain didn’t want them to see what was outside the windows. So it could be a storm in a teacup. Just a matter of a capricious and inconsistent flight attendant.
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 16:21:05
Wayne Hall said:
“... at least you are for once providing what might be information, and not just an opinion or a gut reaction, real or pretended.”
Wow, what an accusing statement!
Now can you please point me to a post where I offered only opinion but no information?
You can exclude the ones where I showed exasperation about your unwillingness to prove your claims. If I had allowed myself to show gut reactions then, you could probably sue me by now.
By Josh on 2012 08 07 - 19:45:20
hereward . you dont have any reasonable doubt as to the fantasy that is santa and the tooth fairy?
youre an empirical retard.. and you dont get any ad revenue off me ..
youre a disgusting hypocritical shill if all you care about is ad revenue.. but i gathered that from your deceitful dishonest antics re your facebook article..
put up or shut up fool. and stop trying to look clever, it doesnt suit you.
By Skywatcher on 2012 08 07 - 19:59:32
Skywatcher, the science of contrails and persistent contrails is proven. You saying it is up to us to disprove the existence of chemtrails is an argument from ignorance.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignoranceBy Mike Glynn on 2012 08 07 - 20:07:45
@ josh
im always learning thanks, and i am regularly discussing facts.
im posting here to tell you that you have posted nothing that proves there is no chemical spraying going on..
i told you before, if you struggle with english comprehension, as it is obvious you do.. then ask someone who has successfully completed a primary school education to help you out.
because i dont regard you as the final arbiter on what constitutes a chemtrail, doesnt mean i have no interest in the topic, nor does it mean anything else you might presume.
its clear though, by continuing to carry on with all your bullshit.. you have nothing of substance to post, and it makes me wonder why you continue to post here when you obviously believe chemtrails are of no concern, so is it like a religious doorknocker kind of thing? some religious drive that forces you to persuade everyone to believe the things you do.. does that give your belief some sort of credibility then does it?
you really ought to stop, you know what they say… youll go blind
put up or shut up
By Skywatcher on 2012 08 07 - 20:13:55
@ Mike
show me where it is proven beyond all reasonable doubt.
im not asking you to prove anything.. another one with comprehension issues!
what i am saying, is if you cant prove it beyond all reasonable doubt, and you cant, and it hasnt been, then you are out of step when you complain that people express reasonable doubts..
its pretty simple really, and youd have to be a gold medal lumpen not to understand that simple point
By Skywatcher on 2012 08 07 - 20:20:24
this is not to be taken as an endorsement of anything jones has to say… but…
hereward would sympathise with jones as he tries to expose the cover up of the events of 911, where people who have absoulute faith in the government regard anyone with reasonable dounbts as conspiracy theory cooks.
infowars (dot) com/new-footage-implodes-911-cover-up/
yet hereward would sympathise not with jones as he tries to expose the cover up of the chemical spraying from planes, where people who have absoulute faith in the government regard anyone with reasonable dounbts as conspiracy theory cooks.
infowars (dot) com/geoengineering-our-environment-under-attack/
hereward doesnt know if hes arthur or martha.. if hes coming or going, which conspiracy is reasonable, and which one isnt.. depends which way the winds blowing i guess..
hereward.. the final arbiter of all truthiness.. what is reasonable, and what isnt.. according to him..
lol.. onya champ
hopefully the links as posted wont see this comment go into moderation oblivion this time..
By Skywatcher on 2012 08 07 - 20:45:22
Skywatcher said:
“im always learning thanks, and i am regularly discussing facts.”
Excellent. Then what do you think about the facts I provided that can explain how there can be contrails in one level and a total lack of them in annother (close) level?
I assume you had a look at these atmospheric soundings I linked.
If my language capabilities are annoying you, please note that I’m German. English is not my native language.
By Josh on 2012 08 07 - 23:12:18
Josh, I was thanking you for providing me with information about the Paris to Cuba flight on which the alleged incident occurred, because this relates to matters about which I am uncertain and so am interested in following up with other people with whom it is possible to conduct informed discussions on issues that normal people might consider relevant to something.
Hereward is apparently not going to tell us about his own agenda. You could add that to the list of complaints, Skywatcher, if you want to be spokesperson.
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 23:33:02
Josh do you live in Australia or Germany or somewhere else? You can have arguments in German with Dominik Storr or Werner Altnickel.
By Wayne Hall on 2012 08 07 - 23:38:56
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