Cris,

I am sure your weather observations are sound. However, I am also pretty sure that there is plenty of air traffic even when you don’t see it.
If the upper air conditions are not favorable to trail formation, it is very hard to spot tiny planes at 35000 ft. altitude.

Have a look at real-time flight tracking websites like flightaware.com and flightradar24.com, and go to your location on the map. There you can see actual flights crossing over your place, and then possibly go and look out for them with a pair of binoculars.

It is very true that contrails start to form particularly in the vicinity of weather fronts. That’s when it gets easy to spot the planes.
The reason is that these fronts tend to move up humid air to the cruising levels which makes trail formation more likely.

On other occasions there are just humid layers of air moving in. Contrails are known to trigger large-area haze occasionally, but they can also be just a byproduct with the haze forming anyway.

As for the changes in weather patterns, many people are seeing those around the globe. I’m sure you are aware that there is quite a number of possible explanations.

Bob McDonld,

I for my part do not “deny chemtrails”. I merely point out how weak the evidence is for them to exist.

Can you pick one of the “lies” that you are referring to, and argue why it is actually a lie? Preferably with evidence?

You certainly appear astute Josh. What I can’t figure is the methodology behind your thinking. If you are correct and no Barium, Aluminium, Strontium, vaccination components and a plethora of other nasties are never released in the air above us by the Chemtrail airforce then we have nothing to worry about and life will go as it always has: the self regulating biosphere will simply bring the small man made changes back into balance.
If I am right about the junk being spewed out, then the biosphere will most likely collapse, only to be remediated after we and most higher life forms are composted due to our inaction against the Elite that rule We the Cattle by deception and thuggery.
Let us look at just 2 components: Barium and Aluminium. Barium is an endocrine disruptor, shuts down the sodium/potassium pump that is vital to the survival of each of your cells, is destructive to the soil food web, etc, Aluminium has at least as many problems and strangely enough Monsatan has has developed a gene to deal with aluminium toxicity in the soil: http://www.geoengineeringwatch.org/chemtrails-killing-organic-crops-monsantos-gmo-seeds-thrive/ . How did they know there was going to be too much Aluminium in the soil if they did not know we are being sprayed with it?
You take a while to answer Josh. Is that because you have to go to your minders to glean information about what to write.  Are you being paid? Why don’t you tell us who you are? Are you an NWO employee?
Now are you going to get a PHD microbiologist, a PHD naturopath, an soil chemist, a soil physicist, etc. that have sold their souls, to help you weave misinformation? Most either listen, learn and intelligently discuss or protect their well paid posteriors with silence.
By the way a commercial jet pilot that thought I was exaggerating about the amount of CTs here was surprised to see how much activity there was when rain likely here.
For the record, stuff all when there is no forecast rain and when rain is likely there are often over 50(over the period of a day) in the visible sky in all directions and paterns, even circles and short heaps of short runs.
We are lucky to get 1 jet a day visible here normally. Explain that?
Selah
Cris

Interesting response from JOSH ANONYMOUS, the glider pilot of no experience of that of which claims vast knowledge, most probably after he consulted numerous text books, plus his handlers as to how to respond. It did take some time to get back so he must have trawled through a lot of books to try to find information that could suit his claims. No need for that JOSH as common sense and knowledge you would have should suffice. You remind me of GEOFF SEENEY, now deputy premier of Queensland, who, when told about chemtrails, responded with the most inane claims that he knew how aircraft worked as he had seen them taking off from Rockhampton airport and applying his school-boy science had solved the problem. Two lessons learned from my youth, “never argue with idiots as they have had far more experience at it than you”, and “when you throw a pebble into a chook yard you will always know which one you hit”.
JOSH, your claims confirm to me that you are either exceptionally egotistic, with a constant need to support your self esteem, or are a simple minded stooge, one of the useful tools of the elite, i.e. useful idiots, or have some personal agenda probably tied to your insecurity. I am most certainly glad that you never did any maintenance work on any aircraft I flew. You won’t hear from me again, so you can live your dreams in conjunction with HEREWARD FENTON (if that is his real name) spreading your imaginings through the electrons on the Internet. Try not to fool people, because I can assure you you cannot fool all the people all the time. (Old proverb, old son) and think about why it is you seem so persistent in wanting to support and promote the elite with their agendas.
Ciao,
LEONARD CLAMPETT not an anonymous troll.

Cris,

I would never claim that we have nothing to worry about, even if there is no evidence for chemtrails. I find it terrifying how fast we humans are changing the surface and the atmosphere of our planet, just by the sum of our activities. I am not optimistic about the view that nature will balance all this somehow sometime.

Back to the claims of metal spraying:

So far, all reports cited for these claims refer to testing on the ground. I include rain water, because rain drops collect dust from the lower altitude levels. Also, wind will carry dust into open collection containers that are left outside for a while.

The test method used for all the tests - plasma chromatography - can not make a difference between metals bound in compounds (like Aluminum as a component of clay) and free/metallic elements, which would indeed be toxic in higher levels. So if your test sample contains dust in any form, your test results will show metals - even if you had harmless mineral grains before. For the test, they are ‘cracked’ to their components by immense heat.

Unfortunately, this bit of information is getting lost in all the claims of toxic spraying.
So what we have is mainly misinterpretation, which is repeated over and over again.

The same is true for blood tests where the term “reporting limit” in the lab sheets is commonly misread as “highest allowed level” which must be reported to authorities - whereas in reality it is the smallest level that can reasonably be reported at all. So it’s in fact the technical detection minimum.

The blood tests I have seen so far - those that were actually released by concerned people - are showing normal levels.

Regarding metallic Aluminum in the soil:

I’m sure that as a farmer you know how acidification can change the chemical composition of soil. There are still countries that are blowing sulfur into the atmosphere which causes acid rain, which in turn raises the level of Aluminum. Also, there are areas where this level was always higher than elsewhere. Monsanto targetting these potential markets is just plain capitalism (not that I like them).

BTW, it took me a while for my first reply because the automatic notification from the TRNA site did somehow not work. I was only notified when Bob McDonld posted.

Leonard Clampett,

just ‘ad hominem’ attacks, no discussion of my arguments?

Did you read up about RHI and RHW? About the products of combustion of hydrocarbons?

You can find a lot of information about these things on the Internet. In fact, that’s how I learned a lot: looking for data and facts when researching conspiracy claims.

This also as an additional reply to Cris:

You don’t need personal input from experts to debunk the central (ever-repeating) claims of conspiracy theorists. There are several thorough and earnest communities that collect arguments - with references! - to counter these claims.

Chemtrail proponents are often passionate and eager to spread their view. Why should debunkers be different?
My personal motivation is that I am worried about the present state of the Enlighentment - scientific and critical thinking seems to be under attack from various belief systems.

Oh, and to Leonard Clampett: if you are so fixated on identities, will it change your position if I give you my full name? Let’s see - it’s “Josua Dietze”, and if you google it with quotes, you will find only references to me.

Now, what does that change?

Josua Dietze. So you no longer have to hide from the public, or is it your real name? Wanting to know a name is not a fixation, it is courtesy to advise who you are unless, of course, you have something to hide from. A friend advised me you had come back to continue to spread misinformation, so, why have you not been able to understand a couple of simple things. The first is “conspiracy”, and the second is “theory”.
CONSPIRACY (Middle English-Anglo French) is defined, in the main, as “an unlawful alliance” and some synonyms include: 1. collusion, sedition. 2. Conspiracy, plot, intrigue, cabal all refer to surreptitious or covert schemes to accomplish some end, most often an evil one. A conspiracy usually involves a group entering into a secret agreement to achieve some illicit or harmful objective: a vicious conspiracy to control prices. A plot is a carefully planned secret scheme, usually by a small number of persons, to secure sinister ends: a plot to seize control of a company. An intrigue usually involves duplicity and deceit aimed at achieving either personal advantage or criminal or treasonous objectives: the petty intrigues of civil servants. Cabal refers either to a plan by a small group of highly-placed persons to overthrow or control a government, or to the group of persons themselves: a cabal of powerful lawmakers.
THEORY (late Latin and Greek) is defined as a coherent group of tested general propositions, commonly regarded as correct, that can be used as principles of explanation and prediction for a class of phenomena, e.g. Einstein’s theory of relativity.
I am wondering just what seditious, evil, criminal, treasonous, surreptitious, illicit, harmful objectives you believe we, who understand that chemtrails are real, have entered into as a group to viciously “conspire” to cause harm to whomever you think would be harmed by telling the truth as opposed to spreading falsehoods.
In order to conspire, as you can see, a group must enter into some kind of agreement to cause harm. So, the question for you, as the claimant that says people “conspire” to cause harm by pointing out that chemtrails are real, is, “What is the harm that would be caused, and to whom, by those who understand that forces are at work to modify atmospheric conditions, by way of atmospheric spraying of unnatural ingredients to have power over all?”
Do you believe that hundreds of thousands, if not millions, or hundreds of millions of people, across the globe are “conspiring’ with each other to do harm by telling of chemtrails?

Hi Josh
You have a problem. There is very, very minimal jet air traffic where we are,except when rain is likely.Beside that how would you explain 3 planes abreast spewing the rubbish out? Isn’t that a bit odd? Do Jets usually fly 3 abreast? Do they make circles, checker boards and other weird patterns? And for the record an ex Ansett 767 pilot who came here thinking I was exaggerating about the amount jet made chemtrails, only when rain was forecast, admitted the situation was exactly as I stated. He was a senior pilot, trained in meteorology. I’d say his views should be taken seriously. I believe there is approaching 150 patents for atmospheric modification chemicals alone. Am I to presume that HAARP’s coupling with the chemicals is a fairy story too?
Ignore at your peril. Disinform to your disgrace.
Selah
Cris

Leonard Clampett,

I did not talk about ill-meaning individuals when I wrote about the attack on science and reason. I was referring to the ancient caveman in everyone of us, who is always ready to invent a god or some other higher power in order to construct a simple explanation when reality becomes to complex to grasp.

Let me stress that I believe that no one is really safe there, and that it requires an act of will to escape the attraction of explaining world problems away by postulating some secret evil power. I can’t really blame people who fall for it (I myself was into UFOs as a teenager), but unfortunately it distracts from the real problems; consequently I am convinced that someone should give a voice to skepticism ...

That all aside, have you researched ice supersaturation and the creation of water during combustion of hydro-carbons?

Cris,

you say that “there is very, very minimal jet air traffic where we are, except when rain is likely.”

You can spot jet planes easily if they create contrails, short or long. As I have stated before, contrail conditions usually improve when a weather front is approaching. That explains why you see more jets then.
(As a matter of fact, right now there is a large warm front approaching the area where I live - lots of trails that get more and more embedded into cirrus clouds; tomorrow will be rain all day.)

The big problem is to spot jet planes at cruise altitude when the air is dry up there, and no trails are formed.

It’s hardly possible with bare eyes - not because your or anyone’s eyes are bad, but because the planes are tiny and there is the unwelcome effect of “empty-field myopia”. This means that everyone has trouble focussing on a distant object if there is no reference in the vicinity, like in a uniformly coloured piece of sky. (Leonard Clampett probably knows it from flight school.)

To count any non-trailing planes you need to do a systematic and slow sweep over the visible sky with a pair of binoculars. (You may be surprised!)

Again, have a look at flightaware.com or flightradar24.com, go to your area and see the actual traffic going by your place at any time. Keep in mind that if there are no mountains or buildings blocking the view, you can see contrails in a range of 65 miles and more from your position.

Can you state where you are, county-wise at least? I would like to have a look myself.

Next time you see three planes abreast, or circles, or grids - grab a camera and take a picture. Otherwise it’s hard to say what you saw. May have been normal traffic where the many routes are bound to intersect at some points, or circling in holding positions, or military exercises.

Without seeing pictures, it’s just speculation.

This may be interesting for Leonard Clampett, who is probably still not convinced that combustion of fuel creates water:
http://www.doityourself.com/stry/is-water-dripping-from-your-exhaust-pipe-normal

Although late, I would like to comment on your “Mass Delusion” post.  No. There is no “mass dlioseun” on the parts of those that know the indicators of a missile launch. However, “mass dlioseun” of those that believe the opposite might be true.  ContrailScience.com relies on Google Earth to prove its points.  However, Google has numerous contracts with the U.S. Government, including both the CIA and Department of Defense.  Both Google and the U.S. Government are not credible here because both have strong vested interests in proving that the November 8th event was not a missile launch. And, because ContrailScience.com relies so heavily on Google Earth, it looks and smells as if ContrailScience.com also has a similar vested interest.    I have worked for a major airline at LAX for 32 years.  My work takes place in a large maintenance bay alongside the longest and most actively-used runway at LAX.  During my lifetime, I have witnessed hundreds of thousands - if not millions - of jets taking off, along with their contrails under appropriate conditions.  Under the right conditions, contrails evolve off of the tips of an aircraft’s wings.  Aircraft have TWO wings, not one; thus, if an aircraft was involved, there would be TWO contrails not ONE.Moreover, no passenger aircraft would engage in such a steep angle of attack on departure out of LAX.  And, no, single-engine military aircraft do not depart out of LAX.    Although I am employed at LAX, I commute to and from work from my home, situated near Vandenberg Air Force Base (VAFB).  Since 1981 I have personally witnessed hundreds, if not thousands, of missile launches.  The one-contrail event of November 8 was a definitive missile launch.  If conditions were right for aircraft contrails, one would have seen evidence of two THIN contrails, not one gigantic plume!  Moreover, even the contrail pattern itself reflects that this was a missile launch.  When missiles near their cruise altitude and thus alter their angle of attack,they always falsely “appear” as if they are slowing down or stopping.  In reality, the missiles are merely leveling out.  ContrailScience.com is a lovely site with wonderful, colorful pictures.  However, the site’s information on this particular issue appears to be nothing more than usual propaganda.

Also an amazing susnet last night…wish I’d had my camera…mandarin-orange behind purple mountains, clouds visible between peaks such that the mountains could clearly be seen one behind the other instead of appearing to be one solid flat monolith, and a massive dark blue-gray cloud shoving in from the south or southwest devouring it all. Absolutely brilliant.

You guys are seriously deluded so many comments about how contrails linger longer is bull shit in my opinion ,Like what are the vids on jewtube that are from maintenance crews exposing the use of chemicals via a vast array of pipelines and nozzles on wings ect ,this has been fully exposed a long time ago ,like we have jeys here coming in at 7,000ft then up at 45 degrees while the toxic shit comes out and as soon as they are on the out skirts of town they stop ? this is obviously a freemason site / jewish or whatever but I am definitely on the side of Dane Wigginton and unsubscribed

Yasemin,

you wrote: “I have personally witnessed hundreds, if not thousands, of missile launches”.
I assume you have not seen the alleged ‘missile trail’ in person. Did you notice the bit about the camera operator following it for “ten minutes” ?

See around 0:50 into the CBS video.

I’m pretty sure that no missile launch takes that long. The object moves rather slowly if you look at the longer sequences.

What you describe as contrails during take-off are clearly aerodynamic trails - the thick ones at cruise altitude are rather exhaust contrails, just like the ‘missile trail’.

All that ContrailScience does is connect some dots. The airplane identified as the creator of that trail has a middle engine at the tail, so the form of the trail is easily explained.
Google Earth is only used to visualize the path of the plane which is originally indicated by a series of photos from a TV viewer.

Where else do you think ContrailScience got it wrong? They have a sound explanation for the optical impression, they have identified the plane, and they have collected images of the same trail from a different perspective. Also, they have images from other trailing planes that look extremely similar to the one from that day.

The question is: do you have a more plausible explanation, along with references?

Bob McDonald,

there are many historic references that confirm that contrails can linger for hours. It’s just the physics of air, water and temperature.

One of the very first observations must be this article, reprinted from the original publication in July, 1921.

In this video, real books about weather and clouds are shown from the last 70 years; all of them mention persistent contrails.

Also, you want to be careful with starting to blame a specific ethnic group as a whole for all the world woes. Recollect how that ended in my home country which is Germany.

The genius of the NWO is edivent in their preparations for the total takeover/depopulation agenda taking place now and for the last hundred years. The chemtrails at this time are only there to lower our immune systems and cause Upper respiratory weakness.  In The Next phase,  Chemtrails will contain biologicals, most likely some sort of a flu like virus, this will kill many within weeks of dispersal. They launch quarantine, Fema camps, plastic coffins, EATR robots. Only an angel can save us now

Kalbinin,

if all you describe is evident as you say, then where is the hard evidence that contrails are not just made of water ice crystals, as science says?

I’m a computer dunce but is there someone out there who can set up petitions on any or all of the plethora of petition sites to demand answers from the pollies on GeoengineeringCT/.HAARP/weather modification/ issues?
There are plenty of us that have been watching the development of chemical and electromagnetic management of: the ionosphere, weather, soil health, fauna and human health. Some of us for 25 years or so.
How about full disclosure of every thing from the difference between JP5 and JR6 jet fuel to the 150 or so chemical patents.

GeoengineeringWatch Weather Update, September 13th, 2014
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r_HpYiVe8qc&feature=youtu.be