the fact that contrails may persist does not mean that something else isnt going on you gormless jerk. 5 days in a row so far, mostly sunny forecasts, yet persistent trails all day, they spread to cover the entire sky by midday,,, 5 days in a row. the cloud cover is coming from the arse end of planes, ive been watching it, and breathing it.
science says you need specific conditions for contrails to persist, and that those conditions do not occur all that often, they occur rarely according to a link posted by the anonymous troll josh himself, it is not plausable that these conditions have been constant over me for the last 5 days. dont try to tell me im imagining things - dont try tell me anything liar. not interested. any readers ( lol - this website has readers? pfffft )  that can think for themselves need only look up.

“If you believe otherwise, I’m afraid you’ve been conned.”

that coming from the liar fenton who tells us a plane hit the pentagon. he has no evidence for that either. hmmm   - what shall we call this didinfo site? i know! how about truth! - that would be funny!

make one wonder why anyone would have an issue with people discussing whats going on. why is josh so determined to stop people questioning and seeking answers? if they are simply wasting their time? why does he care? why would any reasonable person spend their life arguing against something they dont believe in? im not religious but i dont spend years on christian websites telling them theres no such thing as god..

Andrew Adams wrote:

“it is not plausable that these conditions have been constant over me for the last 5 days.”

If this is what triggered your assumption that ‘something else’ is going on, then you are entering the realm of statistics.

Yes, science says that on average persistent contrail conditions are rare (see quote further below). But it also says these conditions are not equally distributed, leading to local and temporal concentrations:

“</i>We showed that fluctuations on a large scale cannot be modelled by Gaussian distributions. Instead they must be modelled using distributions with extended wings, because large deviations of a quantity from its large-scale average have a relatively high probability</i>.”

(From the paper “Determination of humidity and temperature fluctuations based on MOZAIC data and parametrisation of persistent contrail coverage for general circulation models”, K. M. Gierens and others)

Now, what is the average coverage for persistent contrails?

“The global and annual mean potential contrail coverage is 16% for the layer between 100 and 500 hPa. The ITCZ is most favourable for contrail formation, in particular at altitudes above 200 hPa. Between 250 and 300 hPa, the mid-latitudes show a secondary maximum of potential contrail coverage.

The actual present day contrail coverage was obtained by multiplying the potential contrail coverage with the fuel use according to the DLR-2 aircraft emissions inventory after normalisation. As expected the main flight routes are highlighted. The maximum cover is about 5% over Eastern USA. The annual global mean value is 0.09%.”

(From the paper “A Diagnostic Study of the Global Distribution of Contrails Part I: Present Day Climate”, R. Sausen and others)

Emphasis is mine. ITCZ is “Inner Tropical Convergence Zone”. Altitudes are given as pressure levels in hectoPascal; 250 hPa is equivalent to an altitude of 34000 ft, assuming “standard atmosphere” (average) conditions.

So, even if that continuing weather condition is unusual for your area, it’s not at all impossible. Ask someone in Southern California how many contrails they had during this summer. They certainly did not reach the 0.09% average.

(BTW, these papers were easily found by searching Google Scholar for “persistent contrail cover”.)

again josh is trying to tell me what i am looking at without even knowing what it is im looking at.
he seems to think that because some contrails may persist for an extended length of time, that totally excludes all forms of aerial spraying, geoengineering or weather modification.
again, he ignores the fact i dont care what he has to say, considering he is an anonymous troll who spends his life telling people what they are seeing with their own eyes is not what they think it is, regardless of what they are seeing.

not interested #######.. what part of that is too hard for your little brain to comprehend. i wouldnt trust anything on this website as fentton lies, distorts, is a hypocrite and encourages idiots like you.

Andrew, my sentiments exactly. I now only read this site for amusement.

everyone needs a good laugh every now and then Leonard. the hereward and josh dog and pony show never fails to give me a giggle. want truth? want news? go elsewhere.. want some mindless entertainment? dont go away folks..    folks?  hello? anyone here? :D

on one hand they tell us how nefarious our governments are, on the other they tell us we have noting to worry about.

Bill Gates backs climate scientists lobbying for large-scale geoengineeringOther wealthy individuals have also funded a series of reports into the future use of technologies to geoengineer the climate

Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

be alert but not alarmed - josh anonymous, self proclaimed arbiter of truthiness

inquisitive subscriber: Let me see your qualifications.

josh anonymous: [with a small wave of his hand] You don’t need to see my qualification.

inquisitive subscriber: We don’t need to see your qualification.

josh anonymous: These aren’t the trails you’re looking for.

inquisitive subscriber: These aren’t the trails we’re looking for.

josh anonymous: He can go about his business.

inquisitive subscriber: You can go about your business.

josh anonymous: Move along.

inquisitive subscriber: Move along… move along.

Andrew Adams,

you write that I’m arguing without even knowing what it is you are looking at.

If what you are looking at is so special, why don’t you take some images of it and post it somewhere?
Up to now, there is only your word for it, which is not good evidence in the light of your abusive comments.

Also, it was you who claimed that explaining five days of contrails and haze with “weather” is ‘implausible’.

I referenced a scientific paper which states that on average five percent of the Eastern U.S. sky are covered with contrails at any time. Annother paper says that there is a high probability for contrail conditions to be distributed inequally.
Both papers can be found by everyone doing a little research. They have no affiliation to this website whatsoever. If you still insist on ‘implausibility’ then point out their errors.

Also, provide a reference where I wrote that there is no “aerial spraying, geoengineering or weather modification” going on at all.

Obviously, there is cloud seeding as well as aerial spraying with chemicals to aid agriculture, firefighting, oil spill containment and mosquito control. None of those are applied at cirrus altitude though, nor are they able to create lasting clouds.

What I did write - and am happy to repeat - is that there is no evidence of persistent and spreading contrails (and possibly the associated haze) being anything other than ice crystals which are unintentional byproducts of plane traffic.

Dear Josh
Please explain how come there were about 100 trails today and the same yesterday. Usually there is at best a jet a day. Do you think it has something to do with the weather front that is in western Qld and Nsw moving east?

Cris,

again, look at a flight-tracker website to see how many planes are actually flying through your area at any time and are adding to existing contrails.
Here is a real-time view of Western Queensland on Flightradar 24.

The current weather report mentions a “trough” which may be a leftover from a front. Anyway, it delivers convection suitable to lift up moist air into contrail regions.

This is consistent with the current radar loop where you can clearly see the trough making its way eastward.
For preservation purposes, here is a screenshot from some minutes ago.

Additional information for Cris:

You can play back recorded air traffic on Flightradar 24 for one month into the past. Here is an excerpt from the afternoon of Nov. 9 at 12x speed, with plenty of traffic over Queensland.

It is easy to jump to a day where you saw only few planes and compare the traffic.

Note that any time settings are in UTC which equals Greenwich Mean Time.

Cris and Andrew,
This is what I call amusement, posted by Josh Anonymous. It is crap and you note he can’t explain why the chemtrails have only come on the scene since geo-engineering was begun in earnest back in the nineties.
According to his amateur reasoning we need only fly more aircraft to solve drought problems across the planet.
“What I did write - and am happy to repeat - is that there is no evidence of persistent and spreading contrails (and possibly the associated haze) being anything other than ice crystals which are unintentional byproducts of plane traffic.”

Those who depend on settled science will wait a long time because no science is ever settled, Science is a moving, evolving, ever-changing branch of human knowledge. Josh Anonymous makes so many waffles he should open up a franchise system and sell them world-wide. Chemtrails in totally clear blue skies, that is with no cloud at all, are man-made and that can be stated without fear of intelligent contradiction. I watched an aircraft leave a chemtrail yesterday overhead our home in Brisbane and it was no higher than 15,000 feet. Having been a pilot and weather observer since 1964 I can advise the amateur expert Josh that with complete disregard for his bleating about how the altitude was determined, 50 years of experience tells me so. There are no contrails left by aircraft at 15,000 feet. Ambient conditions have never been available at that altitude over Brisbane and even if it were a freak occurrence I am sure it does not occur on a regular basis as the chemtrails do.

why dont i post pictures so i can get your opinion of them? because i dont care for your opinion you gormless turd gobbler.

What I did write - and am happy to repeat - is that there is no evidence of persistent and spreading contrails (and possibly the associated haze) being anything other than ice crystals which are unintentional byproducts of plane traffic.

lol - little evidence.. only if you ignore the fact that ice doesnt not spread to cover the sky where i live 5 days in a row and then suddenly nothing..

lick me..  you pathetic shill. - the planes were flying overhead, spraying…. nothing on flight tracker..

Andrew Adams wrote:

“little evidence.. only if you ignore the fact that ice doesnt not spread to cover the sky where i live 5 days in a row and then suddenly nothing. [...] the planes were flying overhead, spraying ... nothing on flight tracker.”

Well, as long as you can’t back that up with images and flight tracker screen shots, it’s not evidence.

What you say ice can or can’t do is entirely your assumption. Science says its possible, as shown before.
Weather is variable.

i dont have to prove anything to you josh anonymous shill.
i know what im seeing is not natural, and i dont need your acknowledgement or otherwise.
there are countless thousands of photographs posted by concerned people worldwide, who also dont need some anonymous dickhead on the internet giving them his unqualified moronic opinion.
science says, according to links you posted, that the conditions for persistent contrails are “rare” - ie; that is not conducive to an overcast sky as a direct result of aircraft activity on what was otherwise forecasted to be clear skies.
piss off wanker - not interested.. try get that through your fat head.

Please also explain how, on Sunday and Monday, there were numerous instances of 3 trails(sometimes more) being laid almost simultaneously: some side by side, some radiating from a single point, always in a basic northwest to southeast direction? Do jets only go in one direction? Do we have 3 flights at a time going in that direction through the Burnett? How much does it cost in jet fuel? Who can pay that much? By the way there was one non trail jet and a couple with trails on Tuesday.. None with trails today. Actually none at all. Is it possible that you might be oblivious to the obvious Josh?

Cris,

there is a row of five planes between 6h and 7h on last Saturday (local time) coming through from NW to SE. (I recommend increasing the playback speed to 120x.)

If you let it run, around 8:30h there are two planes travelling very close together, QF128 from Honkong to Sydney on 37000 ft and CEB7295 from Manila to Sydney on 41000 ft. I did not watch the playback any further, I’ll leave that to you.

That general route seems to be busy with traffic between Sydney and Eastern Asia.

Interesting thing is, today much of this traffic seems to have been shifted eastward somewhat. This was probably related to the weather.
However, there were still numerous planes crossing the area to the West. Again, I recommend using a pair of binoculars on non-trail days, as airplane traffic is not obvious to the bare eye.

Andrew Adams,

what you describe is not implausible. I have provided the numbers. Furthermore, similar situations were observed since the beginning of high altitude aviation. Here are some historic references, any emphasis is mine:

Monthly Weather Review, July 1921 (Reprint from “U.S. Air Service”); the contrail is called a “streamer” in this report:

“[...] The second streamer formed with a background of light cirrus cloud and after 2 or 3 miles the plane seemed to go into the cirrus background, for the streamer formation ceased while an apparent path of blue continued beyond for a way in the cirrus cloud. The whole streamer may have been 3 miles long. After 20 minutes the streamer had drifted and spread until it merged indistinguishably with the other cirrus clouds visible.”

Popular Science, May 1969, quoting Dr. Walter Orr Roberts, director of the National Center for Atmospheric Research at the time (see paragraph “How jet planes affect weather”):

“ Contrails, Dr. Roberts explains, do not simply spread out at the 30-40,000-foot altitudes where jets fly, but spawn cirrus clouds by seeding the upper atmosphere with ice crystals from the water vapor in jet exhaust. On a clear day, you can often see this happening near heavily traveled airways.

It is almost certain that on many occasions - 30 to 40 days a year, say - the cause of cirrus cloud cover can take in a substantial part of a continent, perhaps half of the U.S. [...]”

Aviation and the Global Atmosphere (IPCC Report), J.E.Penner and others in 1999:

“Systems of cirrus clouds have a lifetime that may reach several hours or even days (Ludlam 1980)”

Very interesting Josh; 5 aircraft at once in a radiating plane, then 3 planes side by side, and 100 in a day for 2 days?
When there are none to speak of the day before and the day after? Are you sure you don’t have a fertile imagination?
Carey Reams said: ” Look at what you see and see what you look at.”
The word science, from its roots, means to know.
I suggest you observe with a view to know.
I’ve been watching this unfold in the skies for 25 years.