Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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Contrails over London in 1944

Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.

All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.

If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.

However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.

The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.

There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!

Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.

CONTRAIL SCIENCE

For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.

Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.

After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.

Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
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TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.

But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.

That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.

If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.

Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.

Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.

Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?

Think about it.

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Cris,

I’m not sure what you mean by “none to speak of the day before and the day after”.

As I said there is plenty of traffic on Tuesday going over Western Queensland. Here is one of several busy moments, at around noon (local time):

http://www.flightradar24.com/2014-11-12/02:04/12x/-23.28,142.25/6

You likely did not notice them because there were no trails.

Talking about science: researchers have started using telescopes quite a while ago. It’s also a known scientific fact that human eyesight diminishes with age.

It’s not quite reasonable to state that there are no planes because none are visible with the bare eye. Use binoculars.

By Josh on 2014 11 15 - 15:48:03

“Andrew Adams,

what you describe is not implausible”

youre a freaking dickhead. what i describle is clear blue skies, turning into overcast skies, only because of what is coming out of planes, that spreads and grows..

youre not plausible. i know what im looking at and i dont need f’tards like you presuming to be able to tell me otherwise, what part of shut the #### up do you have trouble understanding?

By Andrew Adams on 2014 11 18 - 11:41:37

ANDREW ADAMS: Last warning. If you continue using foul and abusive language I will start deleting your posts and your IP address will be blocked. Your persistent rudeness and bullying has already destroyed your credibility - I wonder if you realise that?

By Hereward Fenton on 2014 11 19 - 22:41:43

Andrew Adams,
You are wasting electrons on this site. It exists only so Hereward Fenton (if that is a real name) can air his bias and people like Josh Anonymous, who cannot be educated, can air their fantasies. Cheers

By Leonard Clampett on 2014 11 20 - 03:15:06

Andrew Adams wrote:

“what i describle is clear blue skies, turning into overcast skies, only because of what is coming out of planes, that spreads and grows”

Yes, that’s water vapour from the jet fuel combustion, meeting ice-cold and humid outside air, freezing almost instantly and providing condensation surface for the humidity already present. The ice crystals are blown apart by strong winds and voilà: there is your contrail-induced cirrus cover.

Again - this has been observed and researched many times.

By Josh on 2014 11 20 - 03:20:34

Leonard Clampett,

why are you insisting on calling me ‘Anonymous’? Did you forget my name already?

What is your stance on supersaturation with respect to ice? Does it exists?

Does one tonne of jet fuel generate 1.3 tonnes of water during combustion?

Do you call these fantasies because you refused to accept the facts?

By Josh on 2014 11 20 - 03:25:42

Gday Mr Clampett,
re wasting electrons..
the way j-anonymous and fenton the pretender ignore logic, reason and common sense is laughable. I dont post here to try and convince these disingenuous idiots of anything, rather to simply highlight the obvious, so that anyone else who may stumble upon this cess pit of insipid unqualified opinion, hypocrisy, disinformation, censorship and lies, that this poor excuse for an alternative news website has zero credibility, and to proceed with caution.

If not for your expertise at playing “whack-a-troll” everytime j-anonymous pokes his ugly mug above the parapet, I doubt I would bother. Love your work.

By Andrew Adams on 2014 11 20 - 06:46:57

“Yes, that’s water vapour from the jet fuel combustion, meeting ice-cold and humid outside air, freezing almost instantly and providing condensation surface for the humidity already present. The ice crystals are blown apart by strong winds and voilà: there is your contrail-induced cirrus cover.

Again - this has been observed and researched many times.”

wow. you can describe the weather conditions for 5 days in a row in my area without even knowing where i am. remarjable. another example of how you dont think before you write.

this is why i dont care for your imbecilic unqualified anonymous opinion.
what part of shut the #### up do you have trouble understanding?

By Andrew Adams on 2014 11 20 - 06:50:48

http://www.bluenomore.com/
This bloke is a pilot.

By Cris on 2014 11 20 - 16:08:50

Cris,

this pilot’s publications were discussed here before. See the first page of comments, below the question from Christine Haynes.

See also Qantas pilot Michael Glynn’s comments when the discussion about “bluenomore” continued on page 11 (close to the bottom),

By Josh on 2014 11 21 - 21:50:22

http://www.haarpstatusnetwork.com/2014/11/20/haarp-attack-proof-of-usa-snowstorm-and-arctic-air-attack-planned/

By Cris on 2014 11 22 - 04:50:43

Cris,

I recommend to look at this website very critically. There is no explanation about methodology, staff or even what the point is to report “longwave activity”. It can’t be referring to HAARP which had used very short waves to interact with the ionosphere.

On the other hand I found some information about the site owner Kevin Martin. Quite some guy. Read his various forum postings referenced on that page ...

Last but not least: HAARP is inactive since summer 2013 and is currently being dismantled because nobody wanted to pay for its annual bills anymore. Local politicians tried to slow the process.

By Josh on 2014 11 22 - 05:32:48

Josh
I recommend that you supply plausible evidence that 100 or so trails I saw in on day in my non jet traffic area are all condensation trails.
How many flights can there be?
At times between 3 and 8 in less than 5 minutes?
Geoengineeering has been admitted, at least regarding the so called sunscreening with Barium, Aluminium and Strontium.
Perhaps you can google the necessity for UV?
Perhaps the dangers of Barium to the endocrine system, the soil food web, sodium/potassium pump?
Atrification of the pineal gland with aluminium?
Aluminium toxicity in the soil?
Monsatos’ GM gene that can help a plant survive that toxicity?
The role of UV in patogen cleansing?
And in the production of D vitamins?
The melatonin/seratonin cycle?
Does any of that get past your censorship?

By Cris on 2014 11 22 - 06:39:13

Cris,

if the trails look like contrails, why should they not be contrails?

Western Queensland is clearly a “jet traffic area”.
Did you follow the links to Flightradar24? There is the evidence you seek.

All the traffic between Shanghai, Beijing in the North-West and Sydney in the Sout-East is going over it, as well as the Brisbane - Singapore route. Among the traffic are many cargo flights which shouldn’t come as a surprise. Then add all those continental connections.

Speaking of evidence: can you provide an original reference where officials or scientists in charge admit that there is ongoing deliberate geoegineering?
All I have seen so far are discussions about the possibilities and the dangers.

I don’t really see where the metals you list are coming into play. Are you referring to water or blood tests on the ground?
If so, then please provide a direct reference to an actual test result. You may be surprised how few you will find. Anyway, just pick one.

As far as I know, nobody has found those metals in contrail samples yet.

Regarding vitamin D deficiency: this article discusses it concisely. Quote:

“Even in winter, UVA rays can penetrate cloud cover and rainfall to hit skin”

Last remark: I point out missing evidence. How is that censorship?

By Josh on 2014 11 23 - 16:25:19

no one needs to offer up any evidence of anything to josh anonymous. there are countless sources of information available online that him and his dimwitted cohort here ignore, because i guess they dont come from government sources, all the while, hypocritically telling us how untrustworthy the government is.

if fenton and my self declared internet arbiter of all things truthy wish to tell us that there is no such thing as geoengineering, no plans to own the weather, no such thing as chemtrails, then it is up to you failtards to provide the proof to show that what you are saying is true.

if it was true, there would be an abundance of proof. as it is, you have provided nothing. what part of shut the #### up is too complicated for you to understand shitstain?

By Andrew Adams on 2014 11 25 - 08:02:56

Andrew Adams wrote:

“if [you] wish to tell us that there is no such thing as geoengineering, no plans to own the weather, no such thing as chemtrails, then it is up to you [...] to provide the proof”

Remember that it was you who has made a very specific claim: that planes in your area were dispersing ‘stuff’ that was not frozen water vapour triggering cirrus spreading. You concluded that solely based on the fact that this was going on for several days in a row.

That is your opinion. I could just counter that with my observations from where I live in Europe where it is not at all unusual to have such a weather situation for a week or so.

To support your point you referred to a study that I have mentioned previously that says persistent contrail conditions are “rare”; I then provided references from studies that narrow down what “rare” means - with numbers - and how the distribution of these conditions is uneven.
I also provided references of previous observation of such weather situations, which obviously did not seem weird to any meteorologist or atmospheric scientist.

It’s your right to continue to insist on your opinion, however it is not evidence for your claim that you have witnessed something evil or even unusual, and that meteorology has got it all wrong.

Persistent and spreading contrails were known and researched at least since 1921; long-lasting contrails and induced cirrus layers are just no evidence for chemtrails or ongoing geo-engineering, despite countless videos and websites claiming exactly that.

By Josh on 2014 11 28 - 05:06:46

FYI my research indicates that aerosols are no longer limited to persisting chemtrails.

By Cris on 2014 11 28 - 06:14:21

Cris,

keep in mind that the term “aerosol” applies to every substance that manages to keep in the air for a long time without settling. This can be all kinds of liquid droplets or solid particles of microscopic size. The ability to stay in the air depends on the aerodynamic properties of the particles.

Examples are fog, fine desert dust and ice crystals. See also the article.

Being called an aerosol has no relations to chemistry - it’s pure physics. And obviously it includes much more than what is in plane trails.

BTW, where chemicals are actually sprayed from planes - like with crop dusting, pest control, firefighting - it would not at all be helpful if the particles stayed in the air or took too long to settle down, or would it?

By Josh on 2014 11 30 - 03:24:32

Look at what you see and see what you look at rather than doggedly argue every point from an outdated and inadequately researched decision.

By Cris on 2014 11 30 - 17:55:11

“Remember that it was you who has made a very specific claim: that planes in your area were dispersing ‘stuff’ that was not frozen water vapour triggering cirrus spreading. You concluded that solely based on the fact that this was going on for several days in a row.”

yes i did say that you turd gobbling troll, but not based simply on the fact it was occuring 5 days in a row, however that was part of the evidence that makes up my mind. i made that statement after your assertions based on the fact that you simply declare as such, that whatever it was that was coming out the back of the planes, was simply nothing to worry about.

you have yet to prove to all the concerned people worldwide, that you know better than them, that your unqualified anonymous opinion trumps all other research, and people should support your pathetic dog and pony site by buying subscriptions for their friends for christmas! - ha! - to do that would see you bereft of any friends by new years eve! - youre a ####### dickhead josh, stop trying to look clever, it doesnt suit you.

By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 02 - 10:01:43

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RECLAIM AUSTRALIA IS DOOMED

Although I agree with many of their ideas, the forces reigned against RAM are too great, violent, statist and reactionary for them to remain a non-political, broad based, multi-ethnic, community protest group for much longer. The Left and their Antifa nihilist fellow travelers are already pushing them towards the extreme Right, by calling them racists and Islamophobes and so on. Whilst the extreme Right have aligned themselves with RAM. With fascists of the Left and Right pressuring them they will not be able to remain beyond the Left-Right divide and will inevitably move to the Right - the extreme Right. Which is already happening. A development which will alienate decent Australians of all ethnic backgrounds many of whom currently support them.

The RAM leadership have already established open alliances with the Patriotic Front (the ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration) Australia First and Golden Dawn, a Greek neo-Nazi party. Members of these collectivist groups are currently attending RAM demonstrations all over Australia.

There is a real need in Australia to establish a political movement beyond the Left-Right divide and their vested interests, a movement that questions the current direction Australia is heading i.e. the direction the Left/Right and their extremes would like to take it; that questions the efficacy of state sponsored multiculturalism, as opposed to a proper, non-discriminatory immigration policy; that questions the validity of political correctness; that is politically neutral, anti-war and pro environment; that is opposed to all collectivists ideologies (fascisms of the Left and Right); that would dismantle the power pyramids of corporations and banks and their ability to impact on government; that would dissolve all anti-terror laws and all laws that impose on the rights and freedom of the individual and the people.

(The ape in the photograph is a Patriot Front supporter at a recent Richmond demonstration)

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/reclaim-australia-rally-set-for-sydney-on-sunday-20150718-gifb9s.html

http://australiafirstparty.net/news/reclaiming-australia-queensland-senate-campaign/

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From the entry 'Statism, the greater good and the big lie'.

I second Keith’s assertion that Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He bangs on about Halaal being a scam and money maker for Islam (and no I don’t support Halaal whatsoever), but makes excuses for its counterpart Kosher as being a somehow legitimate. Double standards? When I confronted him about this fact he went off on a convoluted tirade about Israel being some sort of “Bastion of Democracy” in the middle east…Really!, I will leave that one up to the readers to decide on. I found that MH came across as disingenuous to say the least.

By Citizen Scorn on 2015 07 19 - 07:33:43
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

Without doubt, TNR is one of the best, if not the best alternative news source on the net. Which doesn’t mean Herewood is always right. His job, I believe, is to present the facts as he sees them as an objectively as possible, without fear or favor. For this, he has my respect and support. But I believe he needs to be careful and to think a little deeper about the problems of “racism,” in Australia. He has labelled the Reclaim Australia Movement as racist. I’m wondering if his objectivity is a little weak on this point, a little without foundation.

Of course all political movements have its fringe groups and individuals. We make a distinction between, for example, a Muslim and a fundamentalist Muslim (Islamist), and by so doing we don’t claim that all Muslims are blood thirsty fanatics. If its good for the Muslims, then its good for RAM, which is bound to attract a few lunatics and real racists. But to brand the entire movement as “racist” is wrong; it is the same ploy that is used by the mainstream media and its left-wing, establishment Marxist boot boys.

One of the first things I noticed when i attended a RAM rally recently were the amount of non-white people in attendance, including Aboriginals. In fact the main banner of RAM contains an Australian flag and an Aboriginal flag. Speakers at their rallies have included Jews, Arabs, Indians, Aboriginals, Chinese and so on. What does this tell you? Is this really a fascist-Nazi-racist movement whose stated aim are the eradication and exclusion of other cultures, in place of some sort of Aussie white Reich, or is this just propaganda that is being propagated by the left for their own political interests. Consequently, we all know where the culmination of their politics have led, historically speaking, which are to the imposition of terror and dictatorships.

We can be thankful for small mercies, in terms of the Left, which today mostly tends to attract collectivists, establishmentarians and the privileged sons and daughters of the upper bourgeoisie, who seems to share one thing in common, nativity….

By Eugene on 2015 07 18 - 16:03:54
From the entry 'Dylann Roof: soldier in a new race war or just a pawn in the game?'.

Mike Holt from Restore Australia is very much a fake. He hasn’t even been citizen for but a few years. But, he makes out like he was born there. ALSO - this guy spent 30 years in Thailand working shady businesses. I would wager that his primary purpose in being an activist is that he wants to make money off selling merchandise.

By Keith on 2015 07 17 - 20:51:15
From the entry 'Restore Australia!'.

good to see you putting out some new shows heraward

freely the banana girl is to a certain extent a troll, as is her boyfriend durian rider. they have been trolling the fitness community on youtube for some time… and yes they are extreme but they are also trolls. They use their trolling to spread their message. currently, another dude called vegangains is trolling the fitness community as well.

i am a vegetarian, and it was seeing this documentary on the pork industry that started me on the vegetarian path. for anyone interested, its pretty off the charts disturbing and its australian as well. its pretty much made by dudes breaking into pork farms and filming what they find

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KArL5YjaL5U

Would the world be better if people cared where their food came from? probably, they might then care about other things too

do you become a better person if you dont eat meat? i feel like a better person mainly because animals aren’t being hurt because of me. i dont feel humans have to eat meat really… or at least not much. How can you watch that documentary on pork, know that that is pretty much whats going on and turn a blind eye to it? I think its basic empathy and just saying well ‘i like bacon so yeah’ is in my opinion wrong and i can see freleys point of view to an extent. In my opinion, at least these people believe in something. i see my money as my vote, henceforth im ethical as to what i do with it. free range eggs became mainstream for exactly this reason… although im pretty sure woolies and coles lobbied the state to change the definition of the word ‘free range’ at some point. I dont eat beef because the amount of resources that go into growing a cow are pretty crazy. Think about how much grass that cow needs to eat before it is harvested and how much space it requires. think of how many vegies you could grow in the same space with the same amount of water. lamb? comon, think about what your doing here… but that being said i think most vegans are total loons. People like freeley should be advocating for the destruction of lions and tigers, as lions and tigers murder other animals in truly horrific style. if we humans are smart enough to not harm animals, then we should be stopping the animals that harm other animals from existing. Freeley also kills birds when she flies in aeroplanes so she is a hypocrite.

feminism is one of the biggest problems in society today and although there is some valid historical basis to it, the liberation of the human female from their biology is in my opinion largely a product of the technological advance of humans. sufferagettes where never machine gunned on the streets, unlike the men that where drafted and sent off to war to die just a few years earlier. as technology has advanced, women have advanced as well, however now its going way too far and is pretty blatantly anti male in many respects. i view feminism in its modern context as a tool of the social marxists that really isnt doing society a great deal of good at this time. its screwing up gender dynamics and is wrecking women and men for each other. i see it as low frequency, lowest common denominator idiocy, just like a lot of the the race baiting ‘is this racist’ stuff getting around that is being perpetuated pretty much as a distraction, divide and conquer strategy by the power elite. idiots love this kind of bicker and beef… it would be funny if it wasn’t so serious

anyway

I agree with steven friar. gods a maniac

good show… keep making them

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From the entry 'Addictions, obsessions, fanaticisms and distractions'.

Really truthfull.

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Yeah sure authority aware.

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Stay tuned for more rules here as usually is the case!!!

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From the entry 'Mass media disinformation and brainwashing dissected'.

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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?

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