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Contrails dissipate quickly whereas chemtrails linger?
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Vapour trails left by British bombers on route to attack flying-bomb sites encircle the dome of St. Paul's Cathedral. London, 1944.
All those who passionately believe that "contrails dissipate quickly" whereas "chemtrails linger" and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to "unlike" Truth News.
If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you're most welcome to do so.
However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a "chemtrail alarmist" for a long time.
The often cited claim that "normal contrails dissipate quickly" is total bunkum.
There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!
Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.
CONTRAIL SCIENCE
For a contrail to form, suitable conditions must occur immediately behind a jet engine in the expanding engine exhaust plume. A contrail will form if, as the exhaust gases cool and mix with surrounding air, the humidity becomes high enough (or, equivalently, the air temperature becomes low enough) for liquid water to condense on particles and form liquid droplets. If the local air is cold enough, these newly formed droplets then freeze and form ice particles that make up a contrail.
Because the basic processes are very well understood, contrail formation for a given aircraft flight can be accurately predicted if atmospheric temperature and humidity conditions are known.
After the initial formation of ice, a contrail evolves in one of two ways. If the humidity is low, the contrail will be short-lived. Newly formed ice particles will quickly evaporate. The resulting contrail will extend only a short distance behind the aircraft. If the humidity is high, the contrail will be persistent. Newly formed ice particles will continue to grow in size by taking water from the surrounding atmosphere. The resulting line-shaped contrail extends for large distances behind an aircraft. Persistent contrails can last for hours while growing to several kilometers in width and 200 to 400 meters in height. Contrails spread because of air turbulence created by the passage of aircraft, differences in wind speed along the flight track, and possibly through effects of solar heating.
Thus, the surrounding atmosphere’s conditions determine to a large extent whether or not a contrail will form after an aircraft’s passage, and how it evolves. Other factors that influence contrail formation include engine fuel efficiency, which affects the amount of heat and water emitted in the exhaust plume.
- source
TNRA is informed by science and is not interested in propping up anyone's belief systems, and we don't apologise for that.
But, please, don't take it from me, speak to any meteorologist or any pilot and they'll tell you straight, that there is HUGE variation in the length and persistence of contrails. Sometimes they don't form at all, other times they form, but disspate quickly, other times they persist and spread out.
That's the facts folks, and it's been that way since planes first went up in the sky.
If you believe otherwise, I'm afraid you've been conned.
Forgive me if I seem rude or impatient on this topic, but every few months I come across a new wave of people who have been subjected to the same false propaganda about chemtrails, and I have to run the same arguments and cite the same articles over and over again. It does wear one's patience down.
Before making some kind of angry reply, I urge you to read this article and associated links. It's fairly detailed, and deals with most of the usual claims made by chemtrail alarmists.
Finally, let me qualify all this by saying that I do not doubt that geo-engineering programs exist, and that, indeed, some of the patented techniques discussed at international forums include the creation of artificial cirrus cloud. Does this, however, entitle you to conclude that every spreading contrail you see is an example of such geo-engineering?
Think about it.
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you going to put up some proof that a 757 hit the pentagon or are you going to run away again?
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 04:29:33
“Most believers claim that trails that don’t dissipate quickly are chemtrails. Countering that claim is indeed a very legitimate argument against chemtrails.”
another one of your lies shit head.. im sure if people want to go through this thread, they will find a lie in just about every one of you comments ..
show me some proof where most people say that a persistent trail must be a chemtrail.
then show some proof that because some trails may persist, that means there is no such thing as chemtrails
then show some proof that a 757 hit the pentagon.. you ####### stupid lying cunt
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 04:34:52
whats wrong? did you run away again? gutless cowardly liar… pfffft
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 04:35:42
you pretend this website of yours is some sort of portal to truth, clearly another lie
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 04:37:45
josh anonymous says..
but when commenting on the article, directly quoting from the article, pointing out its stupidity.. josh has nothing to say..
thats because he doesnt like truth, he has no answer to truth, and prefers to lie
his inconsistency and hypocrisy and lies are rife throughout this poor excuse for a debunking article.. the only thing debunked here is this websites legitimacy, and the funny thing is they do it all themselves
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 04:55:46
your pathetic silence says it all.
you have nothing but lies.
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 05:02:22
Another of the lies by Hereward Fenton (if that is his real name) whereas he claims:
“All those who passionately believe that “contrails dissipate quickly” whereas “chemtrails linger” and are deeply offended by the sceptical position that TNRA takes in regard to these claims, are free to “unlike” Truth News.
If, on the other hand, you would like to engage in rational debate, you’re most welcome to do so.
However, please be advised that the information I have to impart may be shocking and difficult to grasp if you have been a “chemtrail alarmist” for a long time.
The often cited claim that “normal contrails dissipate quickly” is total bunkum.
There is not a shred of science to backup that claim. Nothing, nada, zippo!
Those who promote this idea are simply repeating something they read on a web page without checking sources.”
And Fenton claims not to take sides in any debate!
Anonymous Josh, and Fenton, could view this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_xl5-yN5Ts&feature=youtu.be and let us know if they can tell that the aircraft videoed is not at high level as it is flying below medium level cloud. Can Anonymous see it or does he need a telescope or binoculars as he claims we all must. Observing aircraft in flight for most of my life I can tell whether or not an aircraft is at 15,000 feet or 30,000 feet and I don’t believe I am on my own there.
By Leonard Clampett on 2014 12 11 - 06:50:38
Thats a damning video Leonard…
fenton also says, “
Hi, this is Hereward Fenton, founder of Truth News Australia.
Do you often feel confused about what’s really going on in the world? I certainly do!”
well fenton, it is patently obvious youre confused, perhaps its time you got a proper job, instead of spreading your idiotic confusion - aka LIES - all over the place.
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 08:30:28
Andrew Adams…what can I say? You are a certifiable piece of work! You make accusations about this site but don’t provide any proof to support what you claims. If you don’t like the message, just vote with your feet and don’t visit tnra. But leave others to decide for themselves based on the fact which are presented. You must be totally miserable and I feel sorry for you.
By Proform on 2014 12 11 - 09:33:14
ohhh Proform to the rescue is it? :D - josh hiding behind your skirt? he had to call in the cavalry did he? - pathetic
any and all accusations i have backed up dickhead, if you werent dropped on your head when you were a baby by your fat clumsy slut of a mother, your comprehension issues wouldnt stop you from seeing the obvious.
the people who fail to back anything up here, are demonstrable, the ######### that run this pathetic dog and pony show.
maybe you can help them out a little genius, and post some evidence that shows a 757 did indeed hit the pentagon, im sure theyd appreciate all the help they can get, like you, they need it
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 11 - 11:36:38
Andrew Adams,
you have written: “Much easier to take out dickheads like Glynn on the ground”
In the context of your aggressive and extremely foul language this can be very well perceived as a threat. That’s why I wrote:
“Are you aware that you just confirmed his concern?”
There is no lie in that.
I am not in the least interested in what you think happened on 9/11. It has no relevance in the contrail discussion.
The trails that are visible day in - day out in the sky look and behave exactly like contrails, as studied by Appleman in 1953.
So far, nobody has shown anything new that would overthrow 60 years of contrail research. There is only assumptions and misinterpretations.
All your screaming, ranting and bad-mouthing does not change that. Why don’t you provide real evidence instead, if you have any? Leaving out the insults, if you can manage?
By Josh on 2014 12 11 - 20:53:53
Real News here.
http://realnewsaustralia.com/2013/05/14/look-up-speak-up-the-chemtrail-issue/
By Leonard Clampett on 2014 12 12 - 06:31:39
yes dickhead, and taken in context, obvious i was saying much easier than aquiring a ####### ground to air missile launcher ya lying cunt. if you really believe its a threat, ring the ####### cops wanker,
confirmed his concern? lol - quick! call the ####### cops them shit head!
ohh right, the fact that you lie, has no relevence.. i think the fact that you lie about events of 9/11, while pretending to be a truth site, is very relevent #######
your unqualified opinion of what i see, when you dont even know what im looking at, can not rule out all chemtrails shithead
im not screaming cunt, i do this purely for whimsy.. you asking me for evidence? youre the one making all the claims cockhead, no such thing as chemtrails, no plane hit the pentagon.. how about you provide some proof shitstain? thats all im asking, you back up what you say.. what a stupid cunt you are
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 12 - 09:46:40
ohhh .. my bad.. i asked you for some proof of what you are saying, how silly of me, i should have realised it is impossible for you to provide any evidence to back up anything you say because you have none, there is no evidence for lies…
have you called the cops yet? ########
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 12 - 11:09:26
have you called the cops yet turd gobbler? no? why? because youre a ####### liar.. right? right.
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 12 - 11:58:18
Leonard Clampett wrote:
“Anonymous Josh, and Fenton, could view this video and let us know if they can tell that the aircraft videoed is not at high level as it is flying below medium level cloud.”
Nobody can say on which level that plane was flying, except maybe the person who held the camera. We don’t know the place, the date, the zoom level, in fact we are not given the slightest details about the video in the description. The fluffy clouds are semi-transparent, so we can’t even say for sure if they were above or below the plane.
All we hear is the usual Dane-Wigington-sermon, and how he is fundamentally misinterpreting a video showing an aerodynamic contrail.
By Josh on 2014 12 13 - 01:29:46
I have said earlier:
“Please point out specifically where I lied.”
Andrew Adams replied:
“you accused me of making threats against retarded glynn.. ”
Can you quote precisely what you think is the lie?
By Josh on 2014 12 13 - 01:37:00
dickhead
you know precicesly what the lie is, you pretend i made a threat. if you really think that is true, you would call the cops? have you? no.. because you are a liar..
you also pretend that people who come here are not concerned with the fact that you lie, you call it irrelevant.
you want to tell the truth/ try admitting that i have made no threats, and try posting some evidence that a 757 hit the pentagon, otherwise go #### yaself moron, no one cares for any of your stupid childish lies.
you dance around continuously.. how about just answering a question for once?
try this.. Can you show any specific evidence that proves a 757 hit the pentagon? - if not then why should people believe anything this website says?
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 13 - 04:40:07
call the cops FLICKHEAD and show them the specific threat! :D
what a moron..
lame arse cunt censorship of the word f.u.c.k. .. you idiots are pathetic, you know what is more offensive than a word you hear every day ... your lies..
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 13 - 06:07:13
if i said it would be easier to steal a car that was left running with the doors open, than one with no motor in it, josh anonymous would say it was obvious i was out to steal your car.
the level of desperate deception and distraction that this f.u.c.ktard will stoop to, knows no bounds..
the prick coulnt even lie straight in bed..
By Andrew Adams on 2014 12 13 - 06:37:22
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